The Boy with Red Hat, 03 Jun 2011Nope
But it sound like a poor excuse to make a poor OS, in pro of a good OS..sacrificing us... moreIt's not an excuse, it's what comes with the "open source". You think there isn't any down sides to closed ecosystem?
We can argue this all day, but if you like closed ecosystem with developers deciding what's best for you, I can't convince you that deciding what's best for myself is better.
With open source, users can customize their devices to fit their daily needs. And Android in its vanilla form, has no issues that would label the OS poor. If all manufacturers left the OS as is with no skin of their own then this problem wouldn't be there. Hence most of them releasing codes of their devices so that users can root and customize it themselves. I can't believe I'm explaining this to you... You should look it up yourself.
Arguing open source vs closed source is like arguing left wing vs right wing in politics. One wing isn't better than the other just like how closed isn't better than open and vice versa.
Android policy is "open source" and users should know what it is about. It's unfair that Android gets blamed for manufacturers doing poor job on the skin. HTC devices lock up, when devices from other manufacturers don't lock up. That's HTC's fault not Android's. Why isn't it clear to you that there are more than 1 manufacturer dealing with Android? If the problem is specific to 1 manufacturer's devices, it's not problem with Android. Does Samsung, LG, Sony's devices all experience same lock up?
Got gsi, daughter got gs2. Love the phones both on gingerbread android. I've bothered to check and my gsi with everything but settings and keyboard turned off,randomly I have caught even g***le maps just turning itself off as settings screen comes on when I'm checking running apps. If you can be bothered, just try going through everything an try turning stuff off, turning off g***le monitoring of your phone is like trying to crush a raindrop with a hammer head, it just pops up somewhere else. I mean why, with the phone not being touched for hours, me never allowing consent on setting up the phone, would it start an app up on its own, use my data then sneak off as settings screen just comes on with no record of it running in the battery stats. I'm of the opinion g***le os is great for handling,but the extra framework that allways has stuff turning on and off just to collect private information (on our data bill.) is using the battery, pushing for a signal, more regularly than we'll ever tie down, and thats beside third party apps getting paid for the same thing.ther's hardly any reason to look for any other battery drain (tho there are some.) When I went to samsung main app site a while ago It wouldn't allow my gs1 to have access to the apps page because it was against G***le policy. If android os would simply be the open os it could be, by giving the user the absolute right to turn off, every single sync, service and app,not needed for the simple stability of the os, till we want to turn it on automating or otherwise (Not adverts thats how they make their money, naturaly.)Then it probably wouldn't have anything much by way of battery life or stability problems at all. As I said, I love my android phone and my daughters gs2, but , at the moment its probably more correct to call it an advertising vehicle or information mining implement than a true os. We just happen to get an os thrown in or no one would take up the option.
Motorola is trying to find excuses for their poor software implementation. I am a owner of a Motorola Android device, and I know Motorola can't do software.
joonius, 03 Jun 2011Are you trying to be funny? I don't care what you like, be it another Android or iPad2, doesn... moreNope
But it sound like a poor excuse to make a poor OS, in pro of a good OS..sacrificing users and companies??
Are you trying to tell me The end justifies the means for Google?
Is this a nice policie of Android to their beloved users?? I don't think so!
And those problems ARE OS related, not hardware related, since the lock ups appears form the ultimate update, users report ther gadgets works flawless until they do that update....Half coocked OS are not good for anyone :(
Jabadabaduu., 03 Jun 2011Have you actually tried Symbian Anna. It's actually a good OS. It is much better than the firs... moresymbian anna is symbian^3 with a different UI..its the same os with the same problems and features only the icons look a little deferent and have some extra shortcuts here and there
The Boy with Red Hat, 03 Jun 2011Well of course I like more iPad2 than any Android tablet :D
However, the main problem isn't... moreAre you trying to be funny? I don't care what you like, be it another Android or iPad2, doesn't offend me one bit. If you fell in LOVE with XOOM, it's obvious you have low standards on gadgets. Maybe that tells me something about Nokia that I never knew about.
You're talking about the long debated "fragmentation" issue. It's widely admitted by the community, everyone knows about it. Google knows about it too. This "fragmentation" issue is talked about all over the place. It is a sacrifice Android users make to have the most powerful and personalized device.
I hope you don't think you just discovered this problem. lol
In this case, the fault is mostly with Motorola as other companies obviously made their devices fairly compatible with most of the apps in the Market, but Moto didn't.
"LG have problems with the GPS software, Motrola with Blur, HTC with their multimedia keys and SENSE some time locks up" These issues are faults of manufacturers not Android.
i've never heard of such issues amongst user of phones of _other_ brands... so don't blame the fox because the chicken is dumb...
Anonymous, 03 Jun 2011You like the XOOM??? lol
Maybe you'll love the upcoming tablets even more. XOOM was quite ... moreWell of course I like more iPad2 than any Android tablet :D
However, the main problem isn't Motorola, in fact other companies are getting mad about this too..
Huawei is having problems with Android Market, LG have problems with the GPS software, Motrola with Blur, HTC with their multimedia keys and SENSE some time locks up...and more....
Even Google confirm too many problems before update of Gingerbread with some companies...I believe Google didn't realize having too many licences will have too many problems among people...
If you don't believe me go to the Blogs of all companies and see how many people is complaining about apps and the OS itself...
I actually read user commments about apps before I try an app out. I would hope that if someone finds something wrong with an app, he would say what the issue is in the comments. If the app is good, I expect people to say good things about the apps. I try to provide useful information regarding the apps that I install on my phone.
If people really want some entity to oversee apps to ensure they meet a particular standard, then someone would have created that entity and probably its own app market for these apps. Have that app market compete with the Android Marketplace and Amazon. If users really want only apps that have passed through some screening process before they are available for download, I'm sure such an app market would do well.
demak, 03 Jun 2011i can't help but laugh when i see some people comparing symbian with android. Really!? Are the... moreHave you actually tried Symbian Anna. It's actually a good OS. It is much better than the first version of Symbian^3. Symbian Anna is much faster in doing everything than Symbian^3.
The Boy with Red Hat, 03 Jun 2011Maybe If Motorola rooth their gadgets things will change..
I like too much the XOOM, I fell... moreYou like the XOOM??? lol
Maybe you'll love the upcoming tablets even more. XOOM was quite the failure.
Anyway, you can't blame the Android OS in this case and neither should Moto's CEO because Moto's done such a bad job with Blur. Think about it, if vanilla Android works fine on other phones but tweaked Moto phones don't work so well, it's obvious Moto is to blame not Android.
It's not about Android fans being blind. They're not defending indefensible. Moto is trying to blame someone else for what they did themselves. Again, apps work fine on other phones but Moto's. It's mentioned in the article too so read to the end.
Youre absolutely right. Becuase I have absolutely no problems with stock android. Which is why I tend to always lean towards stock as opposed to custom UI's. Personally, It's probably just Motoblur which has poor implentations of pinch to zoom as well as low frame rates on swipe animations. And, you can prove it by simply loading LauncherPro or any other third party UI. (Even the stock launcher if you can find it).
if i want an android phone my choices are HTC or Samsung or SE
i have xperia arc and htc desire and both of them are fast as hell!
my friend has moto atrix and it lags as hell even with 1gb ram and dual core cpu!
moto should get rid of stupid motoblur and stick with android UI!
i can't help but laugh when i see some people comparing symbian with android. Really!? Are there actual human beings who have handled android (for at least a day) and can say for real that symbian even compares on any level (besides battery usage which is understandably a result of how poor i.e. slow and laggy the symbian OS is). Symbian had its time but there are newer and better OS's for mobile phones now. IMHO Nokia's hardware and design is top notch and they should have tried android and not Win 7. We may be witnessing the death of a erstwhile great mobile phone company but we shall see
There's nothing wrong with Android OS and there's nothing wrong with the apps people make for it. Viruses and hackers will always attack the most popular of the Operating Systems. No use spending time and money hacking an OS that's only being used by maybe 2 people on the planet. This should tell you that Android is popular and its popular because its good and is continuously getting better.
Somebody needs to give this guy an HTC so he can compare his MotoBlur with Sense 3.0
Bannana Joe= The Boy with Red Hat
Android allows apps to have a greater control on hardware than any other platform and this has certainly made android apps developer more naughty in some cases. The result is affected performance. Android needs to be serious here.
joonius, 03 Jun 2011Why is it so hard for him to believe that MotoBlur sucks? Other phones seem to handle apps fi... moreMaybe If Motorola rooth their gadgets things will change..
I like too much the XOOM, I fell in love with that tablet, not the same with Atrix and Droid, I believe if Android open it self more to Android maybe things will change..
For now is evident "theres boblems in heaven between Motorolas (precious) Blur and Android Apps :(
RAMBO, 03 Jun 2011ANROID is good with other phones its all about the motoral sales team to concentrate.....Hi,
need to give oscar to the intelligent fellows who selected this guy as CEO. moto is loosing the motor because of these very intelligent CEO's
God bless Motorollo.
Why is it so hard for him to believe that MotoBlur sucks? Other phones seem to handle apps fine.
He should put stock Android on one Atrix and put it beside a sale unit Atrix and compare which one's faster. Instead of doing the right thing like HTC, "opening" the open OS so that consumers can customize, Moto does it wrong, locks it down, and least of all rushes their product out and calls Android sucks. I don't see Samsung, HTC, Sony complaining about this.