AlienNextDoor, 16 Oct 2017This is by far the most useless and stupid thing in the selfphone industry EVER! Nothing comes... moreYou sound pretty old school. Are you unhappy because you have to adapt to change? Honestly, the evolution of sim cards is not a big deal. I don't see what the problem is.
That sim card from 1991 is a freaking huge credit card! Never heard of it and probably cant afford it that time. Having dual sim back then must be unimaginable. Hahaha. It wont take another 27 years before e-sim rules all smartphone. Future people will be like, "Simcard slot? What is that? Never heard it before". Or will smartphone still exist by that time? Hmm.
Oathbreaker, 16 Oct 2017Please read this thread -http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1882045-Damn-do-I-ever-hat... moreWhat you say is true, and has been like this in a long time now. But we can't avoid this.
This is by far the most useless and stupid thing in the selfphone industry EVER! Nothing comes even close to it. Not even stupid edge screens. Not even making batteries nonremovable.
Switching from micro to nano sim was such a needless and annoying hassle. But this takes the cake.
With more flexibility in software there is a price to pay with the "tieing" up our phones/hardware with out being able to remove the knot ourselves. There should be a smaller card but with provision of user programmable shifting of networks after paying the price/bills through simple short coding to enable it.
skimminstones, 15 Oct 2017What if you want to take a different phone out one evening? How do you swap your sim/service f... moreyou don't need to swap sim physically. it will be done through the system.
Please read this thread -http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1882045-Damn-do-I-ever-hate-Sprint/page4
It is why I left them because they are the most difficult to deal with when it comes to unlocking and sim swapping. Removable sims forever.
Face ID and eSim is just another way to control the mass population. Don't believe anything Apple (ahem, Big Brother) wants. Anytime we walk into a store, our eyes or face will be scanned now that will show advertisements like what we saw in Minority Report. Don't be a slave to them. Say no to eSim and this facial/iris scanning stuff.
Anonymous, 16 Oct 2017It depends on carriers. For phone makers, the solution saves space, material and improves qual... morebut there is a lot of space every year components get smaller and smaller and phones bigger and bigger
everything above 5" has enough space for headphone jack,microsd, 2sim,3000mah and above, ir blaster, 2cameras and so on
just check there is some cheap 2.5" android phones with jack,microsd and 2sim
also go to ifixit and see some images of motherboards
OEMs keep removing stuff which were there before without a problem
I change my SIM cards on an almost weekly basis, yet have my main one. If the system allowed for virtual sims, as in switching them while keeping the plans active that would not be so bad.
Anonymous, 15 Oct 2017Â„given the time it will take manufacturers to include eSIM's as standardÂ“ See USB CIt depends on carriers. For phone makers, the solution saves space, material and improves quality. There is no reason for them to defer.
so the future of the connected devices and smartphones to be Verizon-ized !! it means we are back to 80's mobile phones with smart features and then it drive us to be more servants to the service providers also when phone or ant IoT devices got damaged or having an issue to get connected we end up buying a whole new device and wait for the provider to register my device
Long Live removable SIM
As a Wireless Service retailer, I see a great value in the eSim in that it may once and for all decrease phone theft to a bare minimum.
If the sim is soldered on the phone, and the IMEI/eSim combo is blacklisted, then stolen phones will be useless. Putting another sim after unlocking the stolen phone will not be an option. Once an IMEI/eSim is reported stolen, it will be impossible to use the phone by anyone on planet earth, rendering the phone useless except for parts. The phone can not be even used as a media/WiFi device because the sim can not be removed. The phone will have to check with the network (possible since an eSim is always present) once it is turned on (even if it is not active) to check if it is stolen or not. If it is, then the phone is disabled.
The esim will further lock down phones to specific carriers and make unlocked phones a thing of the past. It is merely another method for the carriers to exert more control over users.
Bewildered , 15 Oct 2017EXAMPLE
You own the phone so you ring up Vodafone eg activation Vodafone include... moreThe problem isn't about a stolen phone. It's not practical. I'll give you examples of why.
Example one: I usually change my SIM from my phone to my smartwatch when I go to run. I do it in few seconds. With the eSIM system I'm forced to active a second eSIM in the smartwatch or a mix of SIM and eSIM because the operator will detect it and be obligated to pay a monthly fee like Verizon's NumberShare, AT&T's NumberSync , etc.
Example two: few weeks ago one of my phones broke at my parent's house. I asked my brother about use that afternoon his phone and put my SIM the second slot (DUAL SIM). With an eSIM I'll be forced to contact the operator, and supposing a possible future DUAL eSIM phone, pay the service to active the second eSIM in his phone with my eData. And of course pay again each time I want to active my eSIM in any device I want to use deactivating the last one.
Example three: Possible problem with two eSIMs in a device. The SIMs are physical cards, now I make mistake and rewrite the wrong eSIM, then pay again to active the second one with the eDATA rewrited in the first one. With a physical SIM card you can't do something like that by a mistake.
About the stolen device, well you block your SIM but then if the phone is used with another SIM it still can be tracked by IMEI and catch the thief. With the eSIM the phone is unsuseful if blocked but you lost it anyways.
Probably there are more examples. But these are ones of why I see it less practical the eSIM system than the SIM card system. And, at the end, you are going to pay, like now, the share of your phone number in several devices. But one thing is sure, operators will be really happy to charge you each time you need active an eSIM, as a service they give you.
eSIM will be a lot of a hassle for people here in the Philippines also. we have prepaid service here and switching to another carrier is a lot easier than on US, we just simply transfer the sim to other phone that we wanted to use, simply because sim cards are not registered to IMEI of the phone.
so... if in any case the phone got stolen, you cant have it unlocked unless you have applications that you can use to lock the IMEI on the network.
sim will also be used if transferred. but, if you call carrier and tag sim as stolen it would be best,
what I'm saying is, eSIM is like cdma and activation will be hassle and time consuming, seeing the risk of the current eSIM. its just a no no. at least for now....
(not to mention mobile hacking)
at cases were we wanted to transfer service from one phone to another, it will also be a lot of hassle.
if eSIM is to be standard by 2020, then a phone company should at least give the customer a choice, either put eSIM AND a sim slot on the phone.