Bewildered , 15 Oct 2017First Imo There still will be dual sim phones so there will be dual standby and dual active... moreLol.. That wont stop people from stealing phones.. They will just pry up the phone and solder a new esim.. Or just dismantle the phone and sell for spare parts..
Zoser, 15 Oct 2017In any case, they will have to find safe and practical ways that allow you to activate your de... moreEXAMPLE
You own the phone so you ring up Vodafone eg activation Vodafone includes they send a text to your phone
The anti theft is you then register the phone with anti theft as owner
You change network to O2, because the phone us not lost or stolen you can change network, you won't be given an activation code you have to carry around
If you lose your phone you report it lost on thee anti theft website
( What happens now is phones are blocked, a blocked phone cannot be unblocked)
What will happen with esim is the phone can't be used on any network as networks check the lost / stolen database
Your sim card is essentially still in the phone, so you can call it or use other find my phone features, the phone must be turned off, and can't be sold on
In answer to another post it is the manufacturers in this case Google, who install esim
Until universal there will be two systems
Networks need to act to provide cell phone numbers to esim or lose revenue
Bewildered , 15 Oct 2017First Imo
There still will be dual sim phones so there will be dual standby and dual active... moreThis is my OP about eSim.
First of all it's gonna be hazzel as F***, Why? anyone remember how long it took for all operators to have micro sim / nano sim? it took at wile to sort that out.
now they gonna make it much harder to just put in a simcard, you have to get it programmed in to a new phone. what if u bought a secoundhand phone? or just a new phone u want to use and switch between phones. and also What about prepaid version?
there is many things that are more negative then positive! removing something that is working perfectly fine just stupid, se no other reason for them to do so then just making more Â€Â€Â€Â€ ... and those who said about phone getting stolen, look what apple did with their phones. activation lock! duh dont matter what simcard u put in.
The more ppl give in to Big greedy Corporate that seeks nothing more then earning Â€Â€Â€Â€ to their share holders/investors. Be smart, Be Vigilant, Stop thinking like a heard of sheeps!
eSIM? Or you mean, Verizon's previous SIM-less phones that locked the phone to only its network?
skimminstones, 15 Oct 2017What if you want to take a different phone out one evening? How do you swap your sim/service f... moreThis is exactly my concern.
What if I want to switch SiM cards right away? Or if i'm using a prepaid SiM, change phones or change numbers. The convenience of the removable SiM card is needed and making it built-in will have more disadvantages than advantages.
Removing the headphone jack for "space" is Bull Sh*t and EVERYONE in the right mind knows that.
These gimmicks are just cash grabs by greedy companies that force consumers to adapt to their products. Don't get me wrong, change is good. But not every change is.
" the space taken up by the associated internal hardware and circuitry that needs to be accommodated"
Thats actually not true. Space taken by it compared to eSIM is... not irrelevant.
Its the same situation with 3,5mm jack. Space taken by it is not irrelevant to size of phone.
If you look at in technical perspective you could put even 2 mini-jacks in phone...
What if you want to take a different phone out one evening? How do you swap your sim/service from one phone to another quickly?
KeyserSoze, 15 Oct 2017Shut up already with that bulsht excuse that the purpose of removing the headphone jack was to... moreI agree even though you could've used kinder words.
The Galaxy Tab S2, 5.6mm thin, has an headphone jack.
The Galaxy A7 2015, 6.3mm thin, has an headphone jack.
The iPhone 8 series is more than 7mm thin and no headphone jack.
Am I missing something here? Oh yes, the money constant.
Phone - jack = Buy accessories or new wireless headphones, which are both likely expensive, = $$$$$
Shut up already with that bulsht excuse that the purpose of removing the headphone jack was to make room for more advanced electronic components. We all know it was just a cash grab, a sleazy way to force customers into buying clumsy unsightly dongles and unreliable bluetooth headsets.
Poorly written article. Had hard time reading till end! Informative though.
Omi, 15 Oct 2017What? I'm agree with Zoser. There are security concerns. I don't see that as simple. Your eSIM... moreActually....
eSIM is just a simcard that soldered to the phone. Not the big sim card, but the small chip inside the card.
So, when you go to other country, the other carrier in other country will just see you as a phone using your carrier roaming on their system.
Bewildered , 15 Oct 2017First Imo
There still will be dual sim phones so there will be dual standby and dual active... moreWell,
If the carrier willing to tell us about who use the stolen phone, they can tell us NOW.
We can ask the carrier with our current IMEI.
AnonD-424383, 15 Oct 2017this is exactly what i always think about. eSIM should be on motherboard and carrier operators... moreI hope this come true. I would love to have phone that can have 4 or 5 sim from different carrier on 1 phone
But I doubt it...
AnonD-424383, 15 Oct 2017this is exactly what i always think about. eSIM should be on motherboard and carrier operators... morefor some eSIM unpractical...
My family have several other neighboring country sim card that we visit a lot, and we (me, dad, mom, sister, brother) use it when we go to that neighboring country. How can I give my family that SIM if this is eSIM.
It is very common in asia to borrow other family member oversees sim card. Ex. Malaysia & Singapore were neighboring country. So, lots of Singaporean own malaysia sim card (and vice versa). And when a family member of those singaporean who own Malaysia sim card want to go to Malaysia, they will borrow the sim card.
Welcome to the past where changing a number/carrier is a mess. (Anybody remember CDMA???).
I don't want to pay roaming fee when i travel so I buy local sim card. How can I do that with eSIM.
eSIM = Dark ages of mobile
Bewildered , 15 Oct 2017First Imo
There still will be dual sim phones so there will be dual standby and dual active... moreWhat? I'm agree with Zoser. There are security concerns. I don't see that as simple. Your eSIM should uniquely identify you internationally and if you want that system to be standard, phones with physical SIM will tend to disappear.
The problem is that for the system to work, your eSIM must be available to all operators worldwide that you may require to use if you travel in order to accept you on the network. And it is well known that there are many developed countries whose governments control as much as possible their citizens, including their communications by law.
Now imagine how happy they would be if the operators of those countries, who must share all the information they demand, have access to the personal information of all people worldwide and especially their political rivals thanks to the eSIM card system .
The benefits of eSIM are greatly exaggerated.
What I see happening is people getting more confused on what to do with their new phones and trying to activate them. And when people finish their 2 year contracts, I can see carriers taking advantage of citizens by locking their devices. Even if the contract is paid, they will force people to pay for an "unlocking fee" and once paid, they will take their sweet time to unlock devices. These unethical practices will get accepted by the masses who act like sheep, and the industry will become more locked-down and controlled, with less freedoms for honest-paying people.
It's what's happened to sealed phones without removable batteries, basically getting made into disposable commodity (despite ever increasing prices).
It's what's happened to microSD slots, as manufacturers remove them, and force you to overspend to get the amount of internal storage that you need.
And it's what's happening to aux port, as manufacturers push for headphone compatibility that can be controlled via the digital port or through Bluetooth connection.
Compare the LG V20 with the Pixel XL2, for instance.
It's simply less standards and freedoms for the people, and newer push for form over function under the guise of "smart" things and clever marketing.
If they want widespread use, as many countries will not adopt one, there should be a system that allows reading a plain SIM card then make it appear it is installed in a phone.
that card reader will brought when a person travels to a country which doesn't support eSIM system.
This is why I think eSIMs were conceived: