The esim will further lock down phones to specific carriers and make unlocked phones a thing of the past. It is merely another method for the carriers to exert more control over users.
Bewildered , 15 Oct 2017EXAMPLE
You own the phone so you ring up Vodafone eg activation Vodafone include... moreThe problem isn't about a stolen phone. It's not practical. I'll give you examples of why.
Example one: I usually change my SIM from my phone to my smartwatch when I go to run. I do it in few seconds. With the eSIM system I'm forced to active a second eSIM in the smartwatch or a mix of SIM and eSIM because the operator will detect it and be obligated to pay a monthly fee like Verizon's NumberShare, AT&T's NumberSync , etc.
Example two: few weeks ago one of my phones broke at my parent's house. I asked my brother about use that afternoon his phone and put my SIM the second slot (DUAL SIM). With an eSIM I'll be forced to contact the operator, and supposing a possible future DUAL eSIM phone, pay the service to active the second eSIM in his phone with my eData. And of course pay again each time I want to active my eSIM in any device I want to use deactivating the last one.
Example three: Possible problem with two eSIMs in a device. The SIMs are physical cards, now I make mistake and rewrite the wrong eSIM, then pay again to active the second one with the eDATA rewrited in the first one. With a physical SIM card you can't do something like that by a mistake.
About the stolen device, well you block your SIM but then if the phone is used with another SIM it still can be tracked by IMEI and catch the thief. With the eSIM the phone is unsuseful if blocked but you lost it anyways.
Probably there are more examples. But these are ones of why I see it less practical the eSIM system than the SIM card system. And, at the end, you are going to pay, like now, the share of your phone number in several devices. But one thing is sure, operators will be really happy to charge you each time you need active an eSIM, as a service they give you.
eSIM will be a lot of a hassle for people here in the Philippines also. we have prepaid service here and switching to another carrier is a lot easier than on US, we just simply transfer the sim to other phone that we wanted to use, simply because sim cards are not registered to IMEI of the phone.
so... if in any case the phone got stolen, you cant have it unlocked unless you have applications that you can use to lock the IMEI on the network.
sim will also be used if transferred. but, if you call carrier and tag sim as stolen it would be best,
what I'm saying is, eSIM is like cdma and activation will be hassle and time consuming, seeing the risk of the current eSIM. its just a no no. at least for now....
(not to mention mobile hacking)
at cases were we wanted to transfer service from one phone to another, it will also be a lot of hassle.
if eSIM is to be standard by 2020, then a phone company should at least give the customer a choice, either put eSIM AND a sim slot on the phone.
So this new "sim" will let providers track their customers more closely providing an even greater invasion of their privacy.
Bewildered , 15 Oct 2017First Imo There still will be dual sim phones so there will be dual standby and dual active... moreLol.. That wont stop people from stealing phones.. They will just pry up the phone and solder a new esim.. Or just dismantle the phone and sell for spare parts..
Zoser, 15 Oct 2017In any case, they will have to find safe and practical ways that allow you to activate your de... moreEXAMPLE
You own the phone so you ring up Vodafone eg activation Vodafone includes they send a text to your phone
The anti theft is you then register the phone with anti theft as owner
You change network to O2, because the phone us not lost or stolen you can change network, you won't be given an activation code you have to carry around
If you lose your phone you report it lost on thee anti theft website
( What happens now is phones are blocked, a blocked phone cannot be unblocked)
What will happen with esim is the phone can't be used on any network as networks check the lost / stolen database
Your sim card is essentially still in the phone, so you can call it or use other find my phone features, the phone must be turned off, and can't be sold on
In answer to another post it is the manufacturers in this case Google, who install esim
Until universal there will be two systems
Networks need to act to provide cell phone numbers to esim or lose revenue
Bewildered , 15 Oct 2017First Imo
There still will be dual sim phones so there will be dual standby and dual active... moreThis is my OP about eSim.
First of all it's gonna be hazzel as F***, Why? anyone remember how long it took for all operators to have micro sim / nano sim? it took at wile to sort that out.
now they gonna make it much harder to just put in a simcard, you have to get it programmed in to a new phone. what if u bought a secoundhand phone? or just a new phone u want to use and switch between phones. and also What about prepaid version?
there is many things that are more negative then positive! removing something that is working perfectly fine just stupid, se no other reason for them to do so then just making more €€€€ ... and those who said about phone getting stolen, look what apple did with their phones. activation lock! duh dont matter what simcard u put in.
The more ppl give in to Big greedy Corporate that seeks nothing more then earning €€€€ to their share holders/investors. Be smart, Be Vigilant, Stop thinking like a heard of sheeps!
eSIM? Or you mean, Verizon's previous SIM-less phones that locked the phone to only its network?
skimminstones, 15 Oct 2017What if you want to take a different phone out one evening? How do you swap your sim/service f... moreThis is exactly my concern.
What if I want to switch SiM cards right away? Or if i'm using a prepaid SiM, change phones or change numbers. The convenience of the removable SiM card is needed and making it built-in will have more disadvantages than advantages.
Removing the headphone jack for "space" is Bull Sh*t and EVERYONE in the right mind knows that.
These gimmicks are just cash grabs by greedy companies that force consumers to adapt to their products. Don't get me wrong, change is good. But not every change is.
" the space taken up by the associated internal hardware and circuitry that needs to be accommodated"
Thats actually not true. Space taken by it compared to eSIM is... not irrelevant.
Its the same situation with 3,5mm jack. Space taken by it is not irrelevant to size of phone.
If you look at in technical perspective you could put even 2 mini-jacks in phone...
What if you want to take a different phone out one evening? How do you swap your sim/service from one phone to another quickly?
KeyserSoze, 15 Oct 2017Shut up already with that bulsht excuse that the purpose of removing the headphone jack was to... moreI agree even though you could've used kinder words.
The Galaxy Tab S2, 5.6mm thin, has an headphone jack.
The Galaxy A7 2015, 6.3mm thin, has an headphone jack.
The iPhone 8 series is more than 7mm thin and no headphone jack.
Am I missing something here? Oh yes, the money constant.
Phone - jack = Buy accessories or new wireless headphones, which are both likely expensive, = $$$$$
Shut up already with that bulsht excuse that the purpose of removing the headphone jack was to make room for more advanced electronic components. We all know it was just a cash grab, a sleazy way to force customers into buying clumsy unsightly dongles and unreliable bluetooth headsets.
Poorly written article. Had hard time reading till end! Informative though.
Omi, 15 Oct 2017What? I'm agree with Zoser. There are security concerns. I don't see that as simple. Your eSIM... moreActually....
eSIM is just a simcard that soldered to the phone. Not the big sim card, but the small chip inside the card.
So, when you go to other country, the other carrier in other country will just see you as a phone using your carrier roaming on their system.
Bewildered , 15 Oct 2017First Imo
There still will be dual sim phones so there will be dual standby and dual active... moreWell,
If the carrier willing to tell us about who use the stolen phone, they can tell us NOW.
We can ask the carrier with our current IMEI.
AnonD-424383, 15 Oct 2017this is exactly what i always think about. eSIM should be on motherboard and carrier operators... moreI hope this come true. I would love to have phone that can have 4 or 5 sim from different carrier on 1 phone
But I doubt it...
AnonD-424383, 15 Oct 2017this is exactly what i always think about. eSIM should be on motherboard and carrier operators... morefor some eSIM unpractical...
My family have several other neighboring country sim card that we visit a lot, and we (me, dad, mom, sister, brother) use it when we go to that neighboring country. How can I give my family that SIM if this is eSIM.
It is very common in asia to borrow other family member oversees sim card. Ex. Malaysia & Singapore were neighboring country. So, lots of Singaporean own malaysia sim card (and vice versa). And when a family member of those singaporean who own Malaysia sim card want to go to Malaysia, they will borrow the sim card.