FinnishInquisition, 23 Oct 2017Everyone knows smartphone photography can't compete with proper cameras. Nobody insinuates suc... morePerhaps I missed writing this:
Monochrome can help the major sensor absolutely, but here are two things:
1) A larger sensor with good resolution and wider aperture could be more benefitial.
2) Recent smartphones that are actually getting a benefit from Mono sensors (Huawei) use a higher res mono sensor, so I doubt its getting a benefit of mono as well as high res to achieve great low light shots, and the credit goes to 'mono' thing only.
PS: I am not a Nokia fanboy :D
thgun2, 23 Oct 2017Hold on there. Panorama and Nokia. I no what Panorama is but for you to say it was created by ... moreNo No Bro!
Misunderstanding. I meant we have either Panorama, that covers more area, or Nokia sensors, that use different part of sensor wisely, to prove my point that Wide lenses are not completely a new thing to have.
When you say you prefer dual cameras as they offer more flexibility in photography, it sounds like you're willing to trade image quality for other features. Maybe you could do a shootout between one of the older 20+ MP phones and a current 12-16 MP flagship and compare only the image quality? If you've already done so, point me there please :)
vrvly, 23 Oct 2017Not talking straight about next generation. Also size was also never in favor of phones, but l... moreit's up to smartphone manufacturers, not the phone. A phone camera sensor can be larger by usual smartphone standards, if a manufacturer sees it that way.
And a phone camera maybe can take similar shots, but let's see if they can record the same quality video. A videocamera has much bigger microphones to pick sound and not tiny ones like smartphones. Smartphone cameras have a long way to achieve active background blur technics while recording.
THANK YOU! I've been arguing this for the last few years! Unless you increase the PHYSICAL SIZE of the sensor, adding more megapixels only will help you achieve a couple things. 1. Crop/zoom. 2. More likelihood of crosstalk/noise in less than 100% lighting conditions.
"There is not a lot to be gained by increasing the resolution after a certain point if you don't increase the sensor size too."
I do not understad drop from 16 mxp 16:9 to 12 mxp 4:3 at almost all hi-end phones in this "4k 16:9 age"
DenisXD, 23 Oct 2017You are dreaming. Phone cameras are limited due to sensor size. Plus the power to record in 8k... moreNot talking straight about next generation. Also size was also never in favor of phones, but look how they challenge pro cameras...
vrvly, 23 Oct 2017Wait for 32Mp 8K.You are dreaming. Phone cameras are limited due to sensor size. Plus the power to record in 8k is beyond what bionic 11 and snapdragon 835 can do. Iphone suffers in 4k 60fps as it is (bad dynamic range, higher noise, less detail etc), 4k in 30fps is as it should be in these.
DenisXD, 23 Oct 2017That's not the case with smartphone cameras obviously.Wait for 32Mp 8K.
AnonD-50024, 23 Oct 2017I hope everybody reads this!
I am an avid reader who loves GSMA articles. I am not here to ... moreHold on there. Panorama and Nokia. I no what Panorama is but for you to say it was created by Nokia I disagree. Why! Well cast your mind back to 1996. This was when film cameras were still in full swing. Kodak came up with another new way to sell film. At only 24mm they called this new system APS. It did not really take off. But from what I remember was you could shoot images in 3 format sizes, 4:3, 16:9 and Panoramic or Panorama. Ok trying to take a panoramic image with a film camera is like doing a jigsaw blindfold.
This imigary is much easier to acheive with a digital camera by far. Nokia may have improved on the concept and implimented it first but they never came up with the idea.
FinnishInquisition, 23 Oct 2017Everyone knows smartphone photography can't compete with proper cameras. Nobody insinuates suc... moreYes, I agree on software enhancement of photos from smartphones. My photos go into camera raw (Photoshop 6). Then through partial use of NIK, followed by ON1. Then back to Photoshop 6 for final touchups.
vrvly, 23 Oct 2017Actually there is just one direction for resolution - up. No matter how long it takes.That's not the case with smartphone cameras obviously.
Sony Fanboy Bitches, 23 Oct 2017People don't hate thick phones, but they do camera bumps, so basically, making the frame of th... moreI don't mind camera protrusions, so I can't really comment on that. But some protrusion is often necessary because:
A) The protrusion actually protects the camera glass from getting scratched when placed on surfaces.
B) Consumers will always want a phone that appears thinner, and think thicker phones are less advanced.
I had people laugh at the thickness of my Lumia 1020, even though it's only 10,4 mm thick outside of the camera housing. The thickness makes the phone exceptionally comfortable to hold and handle, minimises the hump, enables more and better hardware to be put in the phone and makes it more resistant to bending. But a precious few seem to understand that, and instead want really thin phones.
A large high-resolution sensor on a modern smartphone would be a dream, but I think we'll have to settle for the second best. Multi-module cameras can give us the low-noise performance of larger sensors through the light-sensitive monochrome module, while the RGB-module delivers the colour accuracy we want. The end-result can be beautiful if the software is done right.
The combined sensor area may be greater, and the module depth is much thinner.
Anonymous, 23 Oct 2017I need a phone with 20MP 1' inch sensor and f/1.4 aperture and with 3x optical zoom. Sold! Still has to have dual photo diode too.
People don't hate thick phones, but they do camera bumps, so basically, making the frame of the phone as thick as the rear camera sensor (and even the front camera sensor) would completely eliminate the camera bump.
There's nothing wrong with making our phones 10mm thick with large sensor. Maybe not as much as the Nokia 808 PureView, Lumia 1020, and the Panasonic Camera phone with 1" sensor, but more than 1/2" is what we really need.
I tell you what, a 20mp 2/3" sensor would do as great job as a 12mp 1/2.5" sensor in all lighting situations, provided their other camera hardware and software partners are the same (aperture, OIS/lack of it, EIS/lack of it, length of the optic lens, image post processing software, etc.)
Actually there is just one direction for resolution - up. No matter how long it takes.
AnonD-50024, 23 Oct 2017I hope everybody reads this!
I am an avid reader who loves GSMA articles. I am not here to ... moreEveryone knows smartphone photography can't compete with proper cameras. Nobody insinuates such a thing. But smartphone photography is limited by device thickness, and that's where software comes in to pick up where hardware reaches its limits.
While I would like to see another large high-resolution sensor on a smartphone, you're entirely missing the point of multi-module cameras.
The monochrome sensor, for example, is far more light sensitive (not higher detailed), and can therefore be used in conjunction with an RGB-sensor to improve low-light photography, by merging the monochrome and RGB camera output. Professional photographers do similar things, where they capture several shots at different exposures and merge the images via software editing. It's still proper photography, but this time in an automated process.
Sure, computational imaging is still in its infancy, so you'll be seeing bugs and things that needs tweaking here and there. But it's a technology that's being developed really quickly. The Pixel lineup from Google is showing the true strengths of computational imaging, where the hardware they use is sub-par, yet their software places them among the top for camera performance. Imagine that software with some really good hardware.