Stupid Nokia...putting a 1Ghz proc on Series40 OS
You should have done that on all S3 devices.
Jon (SWE), 20 Jun 2011The CPU is actually used for recording video, recording is not the same as encoding. It does s... moreAlso the next time you want to get your "information" from wikipedia you might want to actually read it. Do you know what Dalvik Virtual machine even is? It still uses Java however it uses java that gets converted to .dex you don't know jack so please stop trying to make yourself sound like you're actually informed.
Notice how it says java .class files are converted to .dex files for execution. The only difference between dalvik and a full blown java system is basically a register-based vs a complete software stack.
actually CBD oled from nokia matches Super amoled plus by samsung. I donno if CBD is also made by samsung or not. but if anyone has any doubts they can see for themselves that CBD is as good as Super oled gets. by the way do you know where are these gsmarena guys from? I mean which country? some guy once told me they were romanian...
Jon (SWE), 20 Jun 2011The CPU is actually used for recording video, recording is not the same as encoding. It does s... moreWRONG AGAIN, GPU handles video recording, as suggested here directly from broadcom's webpage on benefits of BCM2727:
Obviously you don't know what you're talking about you have no idea how anything technologically wise works.
As seen here as well.
*sigh* so now your idea is a list of running services? Last I checked my G2x has 16 running services up. Is that enough multitasking for you? The Long press home function is for your most recently used and is only a quicker way to access apps you ran recently. If you wanted to access an app you ran 6 days ago you can do so by going into running services/applications in settings.
ROFL your point makes no sense. So now you're saying its more expensive to use ARMv6 CPUs because its not a hot item? Again what is Nokia's reason for using it then? First you said that their reason for switching to 1GHz cpu was due to the fact that they're cheaper. Now you're saying that 680MHz cpu is more expensive due to the fact that it is no longer a "hot item"? You're contradicting yourself here kid.
OHh right so now its not optimized for N900 and running on an SD card? LOL you do know that the SD card was rated class 10 meaning write speed of atleast 10MB/s as well as read speeds of higher rates correct?
How about this video? This is the developer edition designed soley for N900 surely this must be "optimized" as you say? Notice that this time it takes about 12 seconds just to load the dialer from the initial pressing of it. How about you show me a video of this "optimized" build for N900?
N8 has an AMOLED, not Super AMOLED used on Galaxy S, the Super AMOLED has a lower yield rate meaning it should cost more.
The cost of aluminum is actually quite cheap did you not know?
The larger sensor is the only winning point of the N8 so that makes up for its entirety in price?
So which is it? First you say that 1GHz cpu was cheaper, now you say that 680MHz CPU is cheaper so whats it going to be?
Again you clearly have no idea what handles video playback. The N8 can play a source however its not capable of displaying 720p that is fact. Like I said, it downscales it to 360. Playing a 720P SOURCE is relatively easy and not cpu intensive at all unless your media player lacks the ability to use hardware acceleration(in this case N8, all androids have this ability).
AnonD-10946, 20 Jun 2011I actually feel sad for you, you're ability to comprehend things at such a slow rate is mouth ... moreagain you havent got your facts straight.
The N8 can playback 720p clips. On the phone, of course the video will be downscaled.
But connected to a 720p monitor using the HDMI connector, it will be full 720p video.
The only upscaling happening when the N8 is connected to a 720p monitor is the upscaling from 720p to 1366x768, which is probably the monitors native resolution.
If there was a true 1280x720p monitor, with HDMI in, and you connected the N8, there would be no upscaling.
Where did you ever get the information that the N8 cant playback 720p?
That is wrong, totally wrong!
The screen wont show 720p but the N8 can still handle 720p clips even for its own screen.
AnonD-10946, 20 Jun 2011wow, you're obviously oblivious to any form of technology. The CPU does not handle video proce... moreThe CPU is actually used for recording video, recording is not the same as encoding. It does strain the CPU. And typically you need at least 1Ghz CPU +adecent GPU to make it happen. At least on android.
But it can be done with much less CPU load in symbian. That is just the way it is.
Considering that the image recording software on the android probably works within the dalvik java virtual machine, its obvious it doe require more powerfull CPU, as the application runs on the cpu.
So you think that android does real multitaskin?
that applications are runnings fully in the background, until you close them?
many applications goes in to paus mode as soon as you put them in the background. Its very clear we are not talking real multitasking, when it comes to games, that often has to reload, after you left it in the backround (not exiting). That is not real multitasking!
If you press the home-key, to see the applicationlis, that is not a list of running applications. its a list of the applications you last used, some might still be running to some extent. But its no where near the multitasking found in Symbian, where you can have 10, 20, even 30 or more applications, actually running in the background.
So you think its allways cheaper to produce older components, the
truth is that its not. When a component no longer is hot on the market, the production goes down and manufactors change their main productionline to do other products, ans the prize actually goes up, or stops up in the prizefall.
So staying with old proved components is not allways that easy, especially if you dont have your own production.
and again you are comparing prizes, based only on the prize of the soc.
Other hardware components comes in to play, when you buy a phone.
And surely the prizes of production of 1Ghz CPUs has gone down over time, and are chaper today, than they were 2010, and a whole lot cheaper than 2009.
Android is not Java-based, its based on linux. It many operations run in the dalvik virtual machine. But there is a Native development kit, which ove time has gained more and more access to the native platform.
you know that in that clip MeeGo is running from a memorycard?
And you know its not otimized for the N900? That is not even the Nokia version.
N8 has OLED-screen. (big demand low production, plus it more expensive in general, as well)
N8 has a better camera.
N8 has an anodized aluminium chassi.
Again you go around comparing SOC with prizes of phones. And besides, the N900 was more than 450 dollars when it came out, it was actually like 599 dollars normal retail price, however there was a capmaign in the states, where it was sold at a much lower price than the rest of the world, at a limited time...dont know if that is the price you talk about?
Boooring and old news. whay Nokia doesnt stick with 680MHz? Because Nokia fans were blaming others that Symbian doesnt want 1 GHz processor to run. Why now?
If this is true, then Nokia has misplaced priorities. I understand their need to claim
"the next billion" but this move will no doubt undercut sales of their Windows
smartphones. Indeed, the line between smartphone and feature phone is blurring but
a feature phone this powerful at a cheap price will appeal to most people. I guess
Symbian is not dead after all. It's only a matter of time before we see Series 40
morph into something akin to S60V5 but under a different name.
Personally, I think 512Mb is too much for a feature phone running S40. 256Mb would
be better strategy because there has to be a true user experience differentiator
between feature phones and smartphones. 512Mb RAM would make the feature
phones true competitors to smartphones. Phones this powerful should have been
made several months ago. But then I guess yesterday's smartphone is today's
It would have been better if they decided to increase the RAM of Symbian ^3
devices instead. Yes Symbian has badly written code but it has also suffered from
insufficient RAM. Imagine how much better the user experience of the N8/E7 and
other Symbian ^3 devices would be if it had more RAM.
Jon (SWE), 20 Jun 2011N8 has an HDMI-output and is capable of sending a 720p signal to conected device. And actuall... moreI actually feel sad for you, you're ability to comprehend things at such a slow rate is mouth dropping. The N8's recording ability like i've mention is due to the GPU, not the CPU genius. It can record a video at 720P meaning the media SOURCE is 720p; however it does not have the ABILITY to playback 720p video. Once you connect the device via HDMI OUT its up to the connected device to. You obviously don't know simple math do you? Let me give you an example, I have a TV only capable of playing 720p resolution at best, I play a 1080P source blu ray disc, now do you think the video will be playing at 1080p? HELL NO, its 720P. Its the physical limitation of the TV, its only capable of playing 720P; you can't force it to play at a higher resolution. Same as when You connect the N8 device to a TV via HDMI the TV also handles some of the upconversion(if it requires it), if not replaying a video source is a relative simple task.
nokia thinks ppl stupid. making a 680mhz smartphone and overpriced it.
and yet expected ppl to bend over their ass. dont get me wrong, i was a hard fan of nokia. remember their 8210, 8890 and n95.
other comps are pumping out dual core, here nokia shows up 1ghz single core (last year tech).
your future is in the toilet if you keep it up.
Jon (SWE), 20 Jun 2011No, I am not a fanboy of any brand, and have never claimed Android needs 1Ghz to run!
Symbi... morewow, you're obviously oblivious to any form of technology. The CPU does not handle video processing(recording genius) its the GPU that handles encoding of video data. In which Nokia upgraded to a newer BCM2727 from broadcom.
So now Android doesn't have true multitasking? You're in denial I see.
Sorry but production of 1GHz CPU has been cheap since 2009/2010. HTC does not manufacture their CPU so they have to buy it from someone else, much like Nokia. Why was it that Nokia devices costed as much, sometimes more than HTC devices when the latter ran on a 1GHz CPU?
SIGH obviously you fail at reading again, Android is based off a linux kernel; however it uses java layers/software stack. Meaning aside from the Kernel everything is done through Java, every function, every ability.
You are the one that clearly has no clue of price/time based demand supply. As supply increases, price decreases, as time pass the more efficient the manufacturing process, the cheaper these products can be had. Again, why is that that Nokia using an old ARMv6 CPU that is already a very efficient processing making IT VERY CHEAP TO PRODUCE, selling their products on the same price range as their competitor using a newer design in which processing would result in a lower yield? Again, you have no clue what you are talking about. SoC most of the time encompass radios such as GSM, bluetooth, wifi, etc, Qualcomm SoC is like this, as with OMAP.
Meego 1.2 running on N900, it takes 6 seconds from the press of the Phone dialer for it to actually load and you call that efficient? RIGHTTT. Also you happen to know that the N900 runs on an ARMv7 Cortex A8 correct? That also happens to be the same CPU as the Galaxy S, you're a genius(not). Like I said, different CPU generations = different instruction sets able to run. Again why was it that the N900 was priced at around $450(same as N8 on launch) yet the N8 ran an older generation cpu, lower resoluion screen, and weaker GPU and costed the same when the N8 came out a year after?
AnonD-10946, 20 Jun 2011Wrong again, it does not play video at 1280x720p. The N8's phone's resolution is only capable ... moreN8 has an HDMI-output and is capable of sending a 720p signal to conected device.
And actually, playing back video should require less CPU/GPU power, if the display has the same native resolution as the video, as it then does not have to be scaled. Its the rest of the OS, that needs more power to run at a higher resolution.
N8 will get an update that support 720p @ 30fps, and there hase been a hack around on the web for quite some time, that does that. So the N8 is capable of that, even.
AnonD-10946, 20 Jun 2011Weren't you fanboys saying that Android needed 1GHz+ to run? Android devices comes in any shap... moreNo, I am not a fanboy of any brand, and have never claimed Android needs 1Ghz to run!
Symbian is still efficient, you can do both recording of 720p on just those 680 Mhz, and you can run several of applications at the same time.And I mean run, not just access to a few functions, or paused, like on iOS, and Android.
So clearly symbian is efficient.
Bu sure you can do even more on 1Ghz, and those chips are probably cheaper or cost the same today, thanks to production volumes.
I never claimed, that Symbian could not make use of the extra processing power, never claimed it would be useless.
But symbian clearly dont need 1Ghz CPUs to do the things you expect from a smartphone today.
No, android is not a java based OS, please get your facts straight. Its a linux based OS. Many apps run in the java layer on Android, but since some iterations ago, apps can be made to run natively in the linux core.
The conclusion stil is java-based devices do not need much processing power.
Why they used 680Mhz cpus before... clearly, you have no concept of price ove time. When that platform was made, the 680MHz socs were probably cheaper.
Prizes of phones are not exclusively bind to the SOC-cost. There is more to the hardware than just a cpu, gpu, bluetooth... combo-chip
And some manufactors always charge more for their devices than the cheapest possibly.
So you have tried the mobile version of MeeGo? On a device, with the correct drivers?
Nokias version of MeeGo was going to be based on Maemo. So the closest you can get to a device running Nokia MeeGo, in terms of performance is the N900. Ans as you can tell by its ability to multitask on that 600Mhz cpu, its clearly an efficient OS.
You call mea fanboy, but Im not.
Today Im using a SE phone as my main phone. My next might be Samsung, HTC, LG, or any other brand.
You say that Ive said things about what Android requires to run, but Ive never said anything like it.
You seem to claim that I have said something about Symbian not benefiting from faster cpus, I never made such a claim. You however do not need 1Ghz or more to do 720p recording and proper multitasking. Proved by first samsung, with Omnia HD, then SE with vivaz, and actually only third by Nokia. So clearly for the most part you dont need that much CPUpower.
AnonD-10946, 20 Jun 2011Wrong again, Motorola Defy, Desire Z, Droid all use 800MHz Processor and will mop the floor wi... morei do like nokias but it doesnt mean i dont like other brand my next phone will be Samsung galaxy S2 just waiting for some price down i will switch back to Nokia once i found something interesting
AnonD-11222, 20 Jun 2011N8 plays video at 1280x720p this means the gpu is capable of handling 720p display resolutionWrong again, it does not play video at 1280x720p. The N8's phone's resolution is only capable of producing 640x360 resolution genius; everything gets compressed to that resolution. What you are thinking of is that the N8 can RECORD at 720p, even then it's only at 25fps; whereas the Samsung Vibrant records at 720p at 30fps. Again the difference here is evident of the GPU used in both.