My Sony Z3+ has support to use usb for audio according to Sony.
But I only use the jack.
When any OEM says the removal of jack is due to bring better IP rating and thinner phone is a lie, sorry I do not but this excuse.
My phone has IP68 while some newer have IP67 only. It also is 6.9mm thick.
Sometimes I use the phone while charging. You cannot do it if you use usb for audio.
The main issue is the usb will have shorter life.
The " wireless charging" ( not really wireless) will take years to reach midranges too. And it can not be applied to metal back phones.
Another issue is the fact some features of the audio cant be used if your usb earphone is not from same brand of the cellphone.
It happens to U11.
Some options wont work if you have the earphones from Moto Z.
Moto Z had a reason for removing the headphone jack.
Other phone's don't. They be like, the trend of today is no headphone jack.
If you want to know why headphone jack was removed from Moto Z is because they wanted to make it the most thinnest phone and the headphone jack was so big for the phone. They wanted to make it thin because their mods are going to make it thicc anyways and if we had a thicc phone and a thicc mod, the phone might not fit in our pockets.
FinnishInquisition, 19 Nov 2017The USB-C port was actually built with durability in mind. It's rated for a minimum of 10 000 ... moreYour argument on modern fast charging solutions and long battery lives, is a bit exaggerated. Battery technology is still nowhere near the point where bluetooth headphones or phones can be powered for months or years without a charge. People do charge and listen together daily, as it's still the bane of every wireless audio gear.
Audiophile companies, with their $1k wired headphones, put a large sum of the cost in the DRIVERS. These drivers make up for most of the good quality sound (apart from housing materials, tuning, comfort & design). Bluetooth, with many other electronic components required to function (built-in dac/amplifier, batteries, wireless chips), will force manufacturers to compromise on the overall product to meet price points and most of the time, it will be the drivers i.e sound quality.
I agree with you that bluetooth with AptX HD, AptX LL and LDAC, have reached the same quality sound as wired audio.
However, it is still uncommon and for some reason, seem to be losing traction with smartphone makers in 2017 (every phone uses Snapdragons SoC, but don't enable AptX, strange.)
FinnishInquisition, 19 Nov 2017"Audiophiles" that think they can hear a difference between FLAC/wav and high-bitrate mp3/AAC ... more(shitty quality music aside) most of mp3s lose some detail. Same with silver/gold plating, of course, that is if your device do not recover details/quality but still you cannot recover what there isn't. The same reason why vinyl is still popular, and thats lossless losing, forget mp3. And yes, many people don't hear difference.
SwaggyP, 19 Nov 2017It is broken though. It does a job that your other port can already do.
The removable batte... moreYeap, USB-C also can play music, theoretically, somehow
But it cant. USB-C dont play analogue unless it have a DAC.
And even when its true that USB-C have good life cycle, using it as audio port will still wear it much faster than other usage.
And if you read my previous comment, i explained that in reality the money you have to pay to get the same audio quality will be way higher.
At the end of the day, you are ABLE to listen to music on both ports, but hey, there is a long difference between them . . .
Dokagan, 19 Nov 2017And There is that saying "dont fix something that isnt broken"
3.5mm jack is cheap, tough, ... moreIt is broken though. It does a job that your other port can already do.
The removable batteries is another issue altogether though, they -indeed- do things that no other technology (present of future) can replicate. Namely instant recharge and doubling of the autonomy. We're far and away from getting anything close to that that isn't a removable battery...
And There is that saying "dont fix something that isnt broken"
3.5mm jack is cheap, tough, requires small place, its simple and convenient.
Companies that are ditching the jack are not "aiming to progress" or other nonsense, they just whant to cut their price by not using a DAC and also force you to buy overpriced USB-C or Bluetooth headphones.
Same thing was true for removable batteries . . .
Dokagan, 19 Nov 2017If you are going to use USB-C Port for audio (either with dongels or USB-C headphones) :
1-... moreTo add to my previous comment,
USB-C headphones are also more expensive because they have internal electronics (DAC, Amp, DSP), which can normally included in phone, also the way USB-C are designed, physical pressure is on "male pin" (aka headphone pin) and if it wears out, you just not lost Audio driver if your headphone, but also those electronic parts that are included in it. So you lose more mony if you lost your headphone.
And also electronic parts that are used in USB-C headphones are not more expensive per se, but companies will sell them for nearly 3x~10x of their actual value. (Imagine you buy a 300$ phone that have alot of components, and you buy also a 300$ headphone which have only a DAC and Amp, other than audio driver, while it should be MUCH CHEAPER)
This means that the Audio quality you will receive for a fixed amount of money will be way lower if you use USB-C port instead of 3.5mm jack headphone.
Things are getting worse, especially for those who that are on budget.
Some may say this is good as buying a expensive USB-C headphone will remain as its not dependent on phone, and you can change phone without giving a sh*t about its DAC, but in reality the headphones will be much expensive so even for high budget people 3.5mm headphones are still better choice.
Like if you buy a flagship phone for 1000$ ,this will include high end DAC and Amp, and you need a 100$ headphone with a less than 40$ worth of sound driver, but now you need to buy a USB-C phone for around 400$, and buy a 1000$ priced headphone which used a 100$ audio driver and 100$ DAC, just to get the same audio quality.
Companies are not pricing their products based on used component values, and at the end this is the customers who will suffer the most.
And reading comments of this thread, i can see that people are digging their own grave.
If others are happy that companies are shoving forced obsolescence down their throat, well, this what they want.
And that awkward moment when you are inside a society that is proud that it willingly destroying itself.
People like us are given no choice. People like us are forced to see it. And here we are . . .
1.Motorola Z force and OPPO R5 we're the first ever phone to have headphone jack less, but the sale we're too poor.
2. iPhone 7 was the next one to remove their headphone jack, but because Apple sheep's fan, it sells well duh...
3. After so many times Google made fun of Apple last year, Google finally removed their headphone jack and got defeated!!!!
4.Huawei removed their headphone jack on their Huawei Mate 10 pro which made the battery life go better than the Mate 10.
5. Xiaomi MI 6 and the HTC 11 headphone jack is being removed and the sales were worse then I expected to be.
Real phones would have 2 port. Like the iPhone 6 with a jack, it sells over 230million and was the best selling smartphone of all time!!!!! Even the Nokia 1100 sold more than 250million which was the best featured phone selling in the century!!!!!
Samsung, LG, OnePlus, OPPO and Nokia has no idea of ditching the headphone jack. Samsung kept it for almost 40years, LG kept it for 20years, OnePlus only for 5 years, OPPO is 10 years and Nokia, 150years!!!!!! Now these savage brands will never ditch the iconic even if the wireless headphones or USB-C trends are rising like hell.
nothing-, 19 Nov 2017The reason why he is comparing two separate brand because both of them use 3.5 mm audio jack b... moreAs I said, it's disingenuous to compare to completely separate brands when discussing what the gains of the removal are. Greed was also no more a driving force in the 3.5 mm port removal than it was the driving force in the removal of the 3.5" floppy disk drives (something Apple also started).
And what's "connection distortion"? You literally already have a resolution in Bluetooth music that extends beyond the range of human hearing in the newer codecs.
Brandsheep, 19 Nov 2017Sheep fanboy please.
Bluetooth audio on phones is almost as old (never better) as the 3.5mm... moreI've already posted the reasons for the removal of the 3.5 mm port. For Android manufacturers, greed isn't one of them. The competition is too fierce for that.
Secondly, the HTC U11 outsold its predecessors, the Huawei Mate 10 Pro has barely reached the market yet and LG V30 has a 3.5 mm port.
I'd advice you stop childishly insulting opponents by calling them "sheeps".
FinnishInquisition, 19 Nov 2017Why are you comparing two completely separate brands? Do you think something one brand can do,... moreThe reason why he is comparing two separate brand because both of them use 3.5 mm audio jack before but the other chose to remove it out of greed. Both of them can play music using it and Bluetooth headset are not better than those with Audio jack as a matter of fact inferior because of connection distortion. I'm a user of JBL Bluetooth headphones and it's not a cheap one.
This is so weird. Why get rid of something that works good. If this really the way to go then laptops and pc will start phasing out this earjack. I cannot imagine it happening yet. I seriously dont know where we heading in term of music output and charging input. We cant stay with wire forever but moving on to wireless also seem like not a good idea either.
It started on the computers years before the phones. 80% of the gamers and heavy computer users love it. So the problem today, is just kids whining about something they can't handle. Jack isn't a problem, none removable batteries aren't a problem, no slow sd cards aren't a problem. The real problem is the batteries and screens that phones have today.
FinnishInquisition, 19 Nov 2017For discussing the benefits of removing the 3.5 mm port? Yes, you should. Or shall we laugh at... moreSheep fanboy please.
Bluetooth audio on phones is almost as old (never better) as the 3.5mm jack.
Apple has its own USB/ charging port. You don't see other manufacturers copying it. Why are they doing the same with the jack?. Its greed, reducing cost of manufacturing while increasing the price. Even iPhone fanboys do not appreciate that but once a fanboy, always a fanboys.
Compare the sales of the HTC U11, LG V30, mate 10 pro to their predecessors. Although they are better phones, the lack of jack cost them.
Removal of the jack is a solution looking for a problem. Why not have both. What next?, removal of the charging port will also be the future
Apple could not compete technologically with the likes of Sony and Samsung in providing a waterproof phone. So why not remove it and instead make more money in selling accessories
If a phone lacks the 3.5mm jack, SD card slot and waterproofing it is NOT a high end device from my point of view and I'd never buy it. It can have 100GB of ram and 2 tera of disk space. Still not interested. Why?
Because i don't buy my phones to impress girls or friends. I buy it for me and my needs.
I always use the wired headphones most of the time WHILE charging. Also i HATE using cloud spying services.
Not all trends are good. Wake up sheeple!
Anonymous, 19 Nov 2017Then how come iPhones have the smallest batteries and one of the poorest screen to body ratios... moreMan anything that apple made was a fail.
Thats why a logo looks like worm bitten apple.
They loosing more and more each year.
From beggining of companie they copied all they could and bring nothing new apart IOS which is buggy and laggy as hell.
Everything.Apple.Pro, 19 Nov 2017I hope soMe too anywaqy i never used it and i dont listen to music to kill my phone battery rather listen at hope trough notebook youtube.
Why are manufacturers dropping the jack? Do they NOT listen to the majority of customers?
Something so easy to put in, just give us a choice. Put both USB-C audio and 3.5mm jack, and let people choose. When I looked at phones in the past, I wouldn't even check if it had an audio jack. Now, it's a routine I'm getting used to doing.