Exactly. Vote with my wallet for those phones with the features I want. No 3.5 = No Sale.
Anonymous, 28 Nov 2017They already have a DAC on board for the speakers!!! It is extremely dumb to have an internal ... morewithout any audiophile reviews hard to say if this surpasses any phones in quality, but the best and the current leading phone ( more high resolution audio player for audiophiles, mid range specs though) is onkyo dp-cmx1 in sound quality, no phone even close, then apparently LG v30 and g6 is a distant second, i doubt it will be close to onkyo dp-cmx1, even a low priced sony audio player nw-a35/36 is significantly better than lg v30 or g6 in audio quality.
on the other hand, using an offboard dac such as Audioquest red/black dragon fly or even extreme Chord Mojo will enable audio nirvana and definite compete with onkyo dp-cmx1 or even dedicated audiophile grade audio players astell and kern ak100ii, sony nw-zx100 or nw-zx300
I'm not a fan of the removal of headphone jacks. But I do see some valid reasons for it.
But no one has yet justified why there isn't a second port for charging. Or a standadized USB splitter that supports charging.
You are really not able to listen to music while charging, no matter if the hedphone is connected by a cheap adaptor, or a several hunded dollar external DAC (even if the dac has it's own power supply).
There is potential in better quality sound, with external DACs with more powerful amps than the ones built in. There are already portable DACs that outperforms even the best smartphone headphone jacks.
And having DAC and AMP built in to a headphone means that the maker can ensure that the headphones will sound as intended.
The 3.5mm jack is not a complete standard, as there are headphones that require more output than many headphone jacks can handle. And there are some headphones that require so little power that they are loud even when the level of most phones are set to minimal.
But it is annoying for people that change headphones often, that they always have to remember to bring the adaptor, even for the most basic pair of headphones.
In my case, I have a pair of IP rated headphones that I use as headset, for talking in the phone, but they don't sound great with music, but still great to have on a rainy day. I have other headphones for music when the weather allows. Sometimes I forget or intentionaly don't bring both. If I at such a point would have the adaptor connected to one of the pairs, I would be unable to use headset at all, if they are on the pair left at home.
And like I commented, it doesn't work for situations when you need to charge your device.
Anonymous, 27 Nov 2017i've had a pair of Bose bluetooth headphones for going on 4 years and so far the only issue i'... moreregular bluetooth (3.2 or 4.0) bitrate is at 300 kb per second, even with decent dynamic drivers or even balanced armatures, still sound compress and lifeless due to lowish bitrate, after all, it's an almost 20 year old standard
on other hand, the future is high resolution wireless such as Bluetooth 5.0 ( no headphones, no speakers or recievers or amplifiers support this, available yet) at bitrate is at 600 kb per second, supported by sony, apple, samsung, others not confirmed so far
or rivals Qualcomm Aptx HD at bitrate is at 600 kb per second, supported by sony, astell and kern, LG audio technica ,others not confirmed so far, (around 7 earphones, and 1 receiver dongle and 5 astell and kern high resolution digital audio player )
or sony's LDAC (around 35 earphones, 8 wireless, 3 amplifiers , 1 receiver dongle, bluray streaming, 2 soundbars, 2 bravia tv and 7 walkman/high resolution digital audio player compatible with ldac, all sony made so far) which is standard on oreo 8.0 ( subject to licence) as sony worked with google,
Anonymous, 27 Nov 2017"the past" is not synonymous of "less good" Moving the DAC from the phone to an external ob... moreThey already have a DAC on board for the speakers!!! It is extremely dumb to have an internal DAC and then buy ANOTHER external DAC just for the headphones..
it was far easier and cheaper for them and include the adapter than having a jack. however, this is truly inconvenient for users.
the 120Hz display is amazing but current games won't be utilizing that.
i'd rather wait for another manufacturer next year with the 120Hz display and the headphone socket.
Anonymous, 27 Nov 2017The phone is already teared down online and shows enough space for a jack.
This is as stupi... moreThe extra space in the device help a lots with cooldown.
This phone can be overclocked out of the box ( built-in )
Not happy? go get one of those cheap samsung phone that gonna break after one drop and overheat like crazy.
removed the jack
remove the screen
remove the camera
its just make the phone ugly
Dave , 27 Nov 2017There will always be a Major difference, bring that my 3.5mm earbud are simple carry around pl... moremy 3.5 mm headphone that i use as daily drivers have the dongle plug to them..
So i just take them and plug them... as easy as you do btw..
Sure, he justifies it.
That doesn't make it not a lie, or valid.
They just wanted to follow the trend in some areas and not in others.
Clearly they goofed up, and are seeing the repercussions of this.
If this device did have a 3.5mm aux port (with the DACs), and IP68 ingress protection, fixed the brightness to 600cd/m2, and a decent battery life (110h rating = 30h/15h/20h).
Now such a balanced device, at this price, now that would be worth recommending.
It would make the Essential Phone, Nokia 8, and OnePlus 5/5t look silly. And be something to step up from a ZTE Axon 7.
But as it is, I can't recommend this phone or the others I have listed above.
It's better to get a flagship Samsung S8/S8+ or LG V30, since those can be had at similar prices now, but have a few features better with better support and resale value.
Wireless means radiowaves radiation. Don't want to Fry my brains with those wireless ear buds.
i've had a pair of Bose bluetooth headphones for going on 4 years and so far the only issue i've got is the leather wearing out on them and that's an easy thing to replace. wired headphones on the other hand i got through every few months just because of general wear and tear. and as for sound quality these bose have beaten any wired headphones i've had, that include Sony, Marshall and sennheiser. the lack of a headphone jack is just something else people with more time on there hands than sense are using to windge about. If you look after your products they can last years. it's time to look at moving on. if a phone decides to drop a feature so it can improve something else i.e. waterproofing which has more real world applications than a jack then i think they made the right choice.
I disagree that 3.5mm jack is "one foot in the past". Saying that equals to saying "electric cars are one foot in the past" - they were there before the gasoline internal combustion engine came and took over. And yet people don't blame Tesla for using "old technology", do they? I believe 3.5mm is here to stay for a while longer, till someone finally figures out how to make a rotating usb plug. Or an inline DAC with 3.5mm jack that is modular and allows you to use it as a remote, with a microphone. Or better yet - a bluetooth remote with a mic and a 3.5mm jack and modular DAC slot. So that we could pick what we want instead of being forced to use a 'complete solution'.
viveksubhash, 27 Nov 2017Hmm I'm not as much opposed to the usb c headphones as much as not being able to use my phone ... moreBuy your self a "2 in 1 converter" then these cost like under 2 euro or dollars. You have your 3.5mm AUX and usb-c for charging in the same converter.
This argument that you cant charge your phone while listening music is just stupid. I for one don't charge and listen music at the same time. and I ordered my self that 3.5mm to usb type c. Cause I didn't find a converter that had male type-c to female 3.5mm and female micro usb. Thing is that there are not a lot of phones out there that have usb type c and when you need to charge your phone then it's hard to find a cable that have usb-c. So basically I needed to order usb-c to micro usb converter to. And well I ordered 5 different headphones too. 3 of them was with 3.5mm and 2 with usb-c connector. Cause these headphones all were under 3-4 euro. I seriously am not a audiophile that don't see a problem to pay 40+ euro for 1.2m of wire and few grams of plastic that most of headphones are today. Add a brand name and it's placebo effect for people to see quality in them.
Good article until that last sentence.
No, we don't just need to deal with it and sail that failure ship of unnecessary trends like removing the headphone jack, bezels every time smaller to the point you always touch somewhere you don't intend by accident, uncomfortably thin devices, non removable batteries or lack of memory expansions. If that's future, then the future took a step backwards instead of progressing, and it's our job as consumers to push it forwards instead. Like comments bellow mentioned, you don't even reduce any bulk, you just move it somewhere else and add another layer of wasted power, so big deal with getting a bigger battery if you also use more of it (granted not absurdly much, but neither would it be that big of an increase if the space was arranged properly. The jack takes very little volume inside, and so does Micro SD slots, heck even mini-SIM slots too).
It was pretty good until the "consumers can just vote with their wallet", and that's what at least I will do. We don't need to get on that boat, there's nothing forcing me it, there's better options for what I want.
"the past" is not synonymous of "less good"
Moving the DAC from the phone to an external object does not make the bulk or space "disappear", it just moves it out of the phone... you could also have the modem external, the camera external, you know...
AS for the removable batteries, likewise, the design is superior from a UX point of view. It costs more to produce though, so it makes sense for the seller to remove it. It doesn't for the buyer.
So yes, sure, you vote with your wallet (in some case that means not using a smartphone, so that's not exactly a 100% correct idiom, but still) - but that doesn't mean the choice selection is smarter or better necessarily. it just is what it is.
That part of not getting the difference between a downgrade and an upgrade I never understood in tech sites.
Removable batteries give you infinite battery and zero charge time (basically). It's the most high tech feature of any phone (wherever it is found). The only reason to remove such a high tech feature is because it did bad things to sales (people kept the same phone for years, merely changing the battery every now and then). It's a clear assaukt to the consumers' best interests.
On the other hand 3.5mm jack is useless. It always was, it was solving the issue that we had no universal port. Ever since type c came along its days were numbered. To move into one universal port was always the past to the past (and eventually cordless).
The crowd that support 3.5mm would *never* support removable battery, they're mostly luddites. A removable battery is still the only way to beat charge anxienty, it's high tech, luddites hate high tech.
the new Razer Phone is a dream come true.
Hahaha what a load of old pony
Domestoboto, 27 Nov 2017Virtually EVERYONE is listening to Cardi B or Kendrick Lemar on Standard Quality Spotify nowad... moreThere will always be a Major difference, bring that my 3.5mm earbud are simple carry around plug and play that I don't have worry about and charge all the time... I plug them in and they work, end of the story. I and many others want the simplest solution and above all, the choice.