EndlessDream94, 04 Jul 2011Actually, Tom, it matters a great deal. The iPhone 3GS was brilliant in 2009. From ONLY a ha... moreEhh, so you say you need connection speed when you have the movies stored on your phone?
Try running any 720p movies right from the iPhone 4 and you will see what i'm talking about. It's going to lag extremely badly.
Just because you don't want to see what i'm talking about when it comes to the web browser in iOS, then i can say it in another way. The web browser is extremely slow even on iPhone 4 when it's like that.
And iPhone 4 is even choppy under Google Earth sometimes to.
Remember that i know exactly what all of this is, because i'm coming from a Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 mobilephone that was slow many times and was pretty laggy alot of times.
So i know what it means to go from a phone that is somewhat laggy to a phone like Galaxy S II.
Oh noes, Android isn't as secure as iOS. Oh noes, Windows isn't that secure either because of viruses and spywares and so on. Should i just stop to use Windows only because of that?
Ofc not, because it's freaking easy to avoid that. All you need is an IQ the same or a little higher than a monkey to understand what Windows is and how it works.
I'm comparing Galaxy S II to iPhone 4 simply because Apple doesn't have another phone to compare with that is more powerfull than iPhone 4. Simple as that.
I have used all of the iPhones that Apple have. So i have some experience with the phones, so i have the right to speak about them.
The rumours says that Samsung will do everything to crush iPhone 5. But the funny thing is that they have done it already with Galaxy S II if iPhone 5 gets the same hardwares as the iPad 2 have.
And that is a total failure on Apples part if that's the case.
Samsung have also signed with Google that they will deliver Android updated to their phones for 18 months minimum. So we will get many new Android versions before they abandons the Galaxy S II.
And again, this thing about fragmentation. Did you read the link i gave you earlier about iOS and Android fragmentation?
I recommend you to read it instead of screaming like a girl where you are yelling omgosh omgosh Android is sooooooo fragmantated waaah waaah.
No, iPhone 3GS is pure junk today, simple as that. Only because the menues are moving smoothly and because you can play games with okish fps with very low resolution, it doesn't means by any means that iPhone 3GS is a good phone today.
So please continue your rather lol funny Apple hallelujah propaganda.
Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011But you still see what i'm talking about right?
iPhone 4 gets totally crushed in those test... moreDuel is dead on with that one. You keep comparing the LAST YEAR'S iPhone 4 with THIS YEAR'S Galaxy S2 and claiming victory. Notice anything odd about that? If the only way to claim victory is by comparing it to last year's device - then no thanks Id rather not have the Galaxy S2. It must be so bad that nobody would dare compare it to a device from mid-2011.
Ok seriously... the S2 is a fine piece of hardware. But where will it be in 6 months from now? Unsupported? On the waiting list to be updated to the next OS while Samsung focuses on another model that will "crush" the iPhone? Will they say "yes Gingerbread is coming" yet keep pushing it off? Will the S2 be a completely abandoned phone in a year? This is one of the big problems with Android. Google can push out the updates to the OS, but its the manufacturer that is responsible for getting it to the devices... and they are very FRAGMENTED on doing this. This is yet another turn off to ANY Android device, regardless of hardware specs. So you can keep your Galaxy S2. It will be forgotten by Samsung within a year.
Totally different with Apple who still embraces the 3GS as a great phone. So great I'd be willing to almost bet they keep it around even when the iPhone 5 comes to market.
Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011Doesn't matter on how fast it was back in 2009. Today it's slow, end of story.Actually, Tom, it matters a great deal. The iPhone 3GS was brilliant in 2009. From ONLY a hardware perspective its slow by today's standards... or generally not the leader of the pack. Its still packing almost 700mhz processor. The Sony Ericsson Vivaz packs a 700mhz chip as well and its rather speedy. But again you continually only look at hardware specs and you are ignoring how these devices actually run. iOS has been carefully written to take advantage of older models such as this one and it can handle iOS 4 beautifully without problems. Its like why throw a V8 engine in a car when the V6 will do just as good a job, be lighter, and use less fuel.
And the "lag" you see is not actually lag in the browser. Its just the way the browser loads images. For example - watch Opera load a page, then watch Safari load the same page... Its just all in how it loads it. Not lag.
And if its 720 video that you seem to think makes the iPhone lag... wrong again. It all depends on connection speed. My Samsung GALAXY S could hardly play any youtube videos. But that was due to the connection speed...NOT the phone's hardware sucking or Android having lag (at least in that case).
It just astounds me that you are continuing upon this crusade to prove the Galaxy S 2 some sort of champion. Its got great hardware. But NOT the best of ALL possible worlds. Its still running Android, which means its not as secure as iOS and the apps will not be nearly as refined. And it does not possess the best camera either (Nokia N8 wins here, sorry). If you like the S2 - great! Don't like the iPhone? Great! Its your choice. But you are misleading anyone reading this with biased information. Your views are not at all neutral. And I'm beginning to agree with others here that you've actually never used an iPhone. Your knowledge of them isn't as good as you think it is.
djvita, 04 Jul 2011reading all of these comments have convinced me to not just buy the the sgs2 but the iphone 5 ... moreGood choice. Why be limited by non-existent barriers.
Own the tech, not the other way round.
reading all of these comments have convinced me to not just buy the the sgs2 but the iphone 5 too :) i will then have the best of both worlds :D and i need two phones one for friends/babes and family and one for business customers. ill play games on both and ont have to worry about deciding which is better..
Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011After trying the iPhone 3GS for 30 mins today from a friend, then i can say the phone is smoot... more"Before a phone is taken as good, it both have to be smooth and to be very fast and on top of that be very powerfull.
So the iPhone 3GS can be as smooth as you like, but when it's slow as hell, then it's a bad phone"
You are so hilarious :D c'mon the phone came 2009, if you compared it to your galaxy s2 speed, of course it feels slow. are you for real? Try to compare it with htc desire, galaxy s and phones like that and with those it doesn't feel slow at all and still it was released year before those.
try to make some common sense about your comments.
The whole time you have been comparing those dual core phones with much older phones, i already said many times they are much faster than my 3gs.
IPhone 4 is much speedier than my 3gs. Of course it is. And iPhone 5 is going to be much speedier than iPhone 4. Then you have real competitor.
Duel, 04 Jul 2011No i don't i just said iPhone 3gs is very smooth and you didn't accept that fact and you tryed... moreAfter trying the iPhone 3GS for 30 mins today from a friend, then i can say the phone is smooth to some points.
When you just goes to the Settings menu and those things, then the phone feels smooth, but it's FAAAAAAAAR FAR from being any fast. It's pretty slow.
When it takes ages to do something on the phone, all of the fun just burns away.
So, saying you rather have a phone just because it feels smooth while being very slow is something i wouldn't buy.
Before a phone is taken as good, it both have to be smooth and to be very fast and on top of that be very powerfull.
So the iPhone 3GS can be as smooth as you like, but when it's slow as hell, then it's a bad phone.
Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011But you still see what i'm talking about right?
iPhone 4 gets totally crushed in those test... moreNo i don't i just said iPhone 3gs is very smooth and you didn't accept that fact and you tryed make those i can get iPhone 3gs lag badly trash talk.
Clearly i pointed you to be wrong.
Only case which was true, you cant play 720p video smooth on iPhone 3gs, i think everyone knows that, just using common sense. It's way too old device to handle that.
iPhone 3gs is overall VERY SMOOTH phone, Is it so hard you to accept? :)
i'm guessing after this you write again how fast and smooth your galaxy s2 is, yes i know it's smooth too, i never said anything opposite :) But iPhone 3gs is still one of the smoothest and fastest phone out there (dual core's doesn't count)
"iPhone 4 gets totally crushed in those tests against Galaxy S II."
many have said you, its one year newer phone, is it really that big surprise for you that it can beat one year old model?
Maybe we should compare iPhone 4 with phone which came year before galaxy s, what you think which one wins? When i bought my iPhone 3gs, samsung phones was VERY laggy and nothing like they are nowdays, so i think some of those phones head to head with iPhone 4. Fair right?
Duel, 04 Jul 2011THAT'S NOT LAG, it's the way how browser works. If you try different pc browsers you see every... moreBut you still see what i'm talking about right?
iPhone 4 gets totally crushed in those tests against Galaxy S II.
Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011I have tried the iPhone 4 out for some months, and by those months i'm pretty sure that i have... moreTHAT'S NOT LAG, it's the way how browser works. If you try different pc browsers you see everyone has their own style to load pages. Some browsers show everything after load page fully. Some load everything piece by piece.
I have opera on my phone too and it works just like you said, you can scroll the whole site before it's fully loaded.
Like i said, different browsers has their own way to load pages, but that's not LAG :)
Duel, 04 Jul 2011"Ehm lol, iPad 3 wont come this year, and because of that, then they have to use the tech... moreEven if iPad 3 would come this year, then iPad 3 will get the new hardware before the iPhone 5 gets that.
So if iPhone 5 comes out in September, then they have to use the hardware that is available now when the production starts in August next month.
So the specs on the iPhone 5 can't be any better than the specs that are on the Samsung Galaxy II now.
Because you can't really say the iPhone 5 will get hardware specs from a tablet that will come out next year lol.
Anonymous, 04 Jul 2011
"I can get the web browser on iPhone 3GS to lag horribly by just entering a heavy web p... moreI have tried the iPhone 4 out for some months, and by those months i'm pretty sure that i have tried everything the iPhone 4 can do.
And when i say the web browser on both iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 lags, i'm not only talking about how smooth it goes to zoom for example. I'm talking about how you can scroll on the web pages while loading a site.
Here you can scroll down the web page and still see the whole page while it's loading where you only can see the first window on iPhone 4. It means that you wont see anything of the rest of the site if you scrolls down the web page on the iPhone 4.
You can see this test to see for your self: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_4vijEfQaQ
Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011When it's about peoples choosing smaller screens today, then i don't buy that.
Because, tel... more"Ehm lol, iPad 3 wont come this year, and because of that, then they have to use the technology that are current today that are available to Apple to use in iPhone 5"
Newest rumours from friday say it comes http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110701PD216.html
Apple is hitting hard and very agressive now, they don't give any chance for others tablets :) Poor samsung, poor htc, poor motorola etc. iPad rule the tablet markets completely and goin to do that in future too.
Like i said, i think iPhone 5 is going to be more like iPad 3 than iPad 2.
Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011I can get the web browser on iPhone 3GS to lag horribly by just entering a heavy web page.
"I can get the web browser on iPhone 3GS to lag horribly by just entering a heavy web page."
No you cant, iPhone run every page with same smoothness, pinch zoom and zoom and scrolling is always smooth as it can be, it doesn't matter if it's mobile site or heavy site. Again one reason why iPhone sells.
I'm starting to thinking that you never owned iPhone.
Duel, 04 Jul 2011"You tell me that iPhone 3GS can run almost everything smooth?
If you let me try out ... moreI can get the web browser on iPhone 3GS to lag horribly by just entering a heavy web page.
And i can get the iPhone 3GS and even iPhone 4 to lag horribly by just playing a 720p movie with very high bitrate.
This is some few of the things that can make the iPhone 3GS and 4 to lag.
Yes, iPhone 3GS was smooth when it came out, but we are in 2011 now where many other smartphones are extremely fast compared to both iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4.
You might say it's fast. It might be in your world, but compared to how fast the Galaxy S II is, then iPhone 3GS and 4 is taken to be very slow.
And do you even know why games runs smooth on iPhone 3GS?
It's because of the omgfaillol 320 x 480 in screen resolution.
So just because the game runs fine on that stupidly low resolution, it doesn't mean the phone is powerfull by any means.
[deleted post]"You tell me that iPhone 3GS can run almost everything smooth?
If you let me try out an iPhone 3GS, i can guarantee you that i'm totally gonna get the iPhone 3GS to lag BADLY."
Can you tell me how you are going to do that? because i can't and i'm using it everyday, you just talk trash and everyone knows that :) iPhone is the phone what doesnt know word lag like others phones do. One reason why it sells so well. Nowday others can do that too, but 2009-2010 iPhone was only phone with no lag.
actually end of 2010 when WP7 phones released, they were supersmooth too.
Today you actually can see how powerful iPhone 3gs was when it came, because it still very powerful. It still outperform those 1 ghz android phones (not dual cores)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ekVnxkvDP_g#t=42s look this game, how good it looks and how smooth it runs and again, that phone came 2009 and game came 2011. You cant deny that fact that 3gs is still very powerful phone. It's so well optimized, and you can't chance that fact.
I really want to know how you are going to make it lag BADLY :)
Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011It's not about that iPad 2 is a tablet and Galaxy S II is a phone, it's about what hardware th... more"Hahahaha, so you are telling me that iOS runs smoother on iPhone 4 than Android 2.3.3 does on my Galaxy S II?"
No... we are telling you that iOS 4 runs smoother on AN OLD IPHONE 3G than Android (any version) does on ANY Android.
Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011It's not about that iPad 2 is a tablet and Galaxy S II is a phone, it's about what hardware th... more"But for me it sounds like you are telling us that iOS isn't fragmented at all."
Never said that... but I had somebody tell me once that because of all of the different iOS devices, some with cameras, some not, that this created huge fragmentation for Apple. Really??? Apple makes the hardware AND the software and controls how apps are brought to its platform. Apple already has a much better system in place to control any fragmentation. And how many Android devices are there? Versus how many iOS devices? All the android devices are controlled by different companies all wanting their own look and feel. This creates fragmentation.
And for someone who claims to have worked in the field for many years you have a very biased view of this and aren't presenting us with much to back up that claim... especially if you feel the fragmentation between iOS and Android is even remotely close.
Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011It's not about that iPad 2 is a tablet and Galaxy S II is a phone, it's about what hardware th... moreWhat you are not getting, Tom is that nobody is forcing you to compare anything against the Galaxy 2. Its a great piece of hardware. Apple doesn't currently have a PHONE to do so. And just because they don't doesn't mean you have to go with the next best thing. That would be like me saying I was going to compare the Motorola Xoom to my quad core iMac.
Nobody here is disputing the hardware supremacy of the new Galaxy 2. Nobody ever did. But there are some of you that love that phone so much that you seem to have some religious attachment to it. So bad that one guy a few weeks ago even tried to claim that it had a better camera than the Nokia N8. And the comparison tests clearly show a strong advantage to the N8's camera. I mean c'mon its a 12mp camera with flash and carl zeiss lense AND lossless 720p zoom... soon to be upgraded to 30fps. The still image results are a clear winner for the N8 yet this Galaxy fanboy kept telling me the Galaxy was better "because of certain specs".
And again - its about the software. Not about how many features you can throw into software (regardless of how laggy and glitchy it makes the phone) but about how well and smooth you can get the software to run. Apple has been able to create a very smooth platform that doesn't lag, runs smooth, looks smooth, and has a great track record of things working well without problems. Android does not have that track record. I know that offends you but its the truth. The fragmentation of the whole Android system is to blame for that. And Apple probably doesn't care about gaining much more market share because to hold onto 27% (and growing) of the smartphone market share with only a few phones??? That's awesome! Add to that the millions of users that are using iPod touches and iPads.
People are generally very pleased with there iOS devices and its very rare when I hear any complaints. I do hear Android complaints about lag, crashes, etc. And HTC, for as much as you praised them too - they have their share of problems. One of my friends at work all he does is set his phone down and it shuts off... not cool. He has the Incredible.