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- AnonD-10525
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AnonD-1825, 04 Jul 2011"You talk about Android being fragmented?
I'm sorry to tell you this but iOS is pretty... moreYou are absolutely correct. Developers love the iOS platform. It has a set standard of ways to do things and how to develop apps and so forth. This is why iOS devices are becoming more and more commonplace in business and medicine. I spoke before to Tom about my friends iPhone 3G, which is the 2008 version. He has never complained about any software not working on his phone.
I couldn't believe the number of apps that didn't work well on my Galaxy S when I used it. 2 versions of Angry Birds would force quit EVERY time I went to load them. Words with friends would crash. Splode didn't load right either... among others. And the UI itself would often lag so bad the widgets would disappear and I'd have to add them again. I never had to do that on my iPod Touch or iPad. They just work well without me asking them to.
- AnonD-1825
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Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011It's not about that iPad 2 is a tablet and Galaxy S II is a phone, it's about what hardware th... more"You talk about Android being fragmented?
I'm sorry to tell you this but iOS is pretty fragmented it self. Ofc Android is a little more fragmented. But for me it sounds like you are telling us that iOS isn't fragmented at all."
What you know about iOS fragmentation? how iOS is fragmented?
Android is a little more? yeah right :)
Android is very fragmented, why you think it's take so much time to get apps/games for android? it has to work with so many different devices.
If you want all the games run well, you need to buy the hi-end phone, and maybe still run laggy games some of the models.
If you buy mid-end android phone, you never know what runs on your phone and how well it runs. My cousin has zte blade, most of the games run laggy. He never know which runs and which not before he try it.
Then iPhone, almost everything run well with 2009 3gs model, you can download or buy almost anything what you want without thinkin does it run well on my phone, because it does.
I thought when iPhone 4 came that most bigger games wont run anymore with 3gs, but surprisingly they run perfectly smooth. I think it's very easy to optimize games to run well with iPhone?
By the way, android apps/games are mostly crap compared to iphone
- AnonD-10525
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Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011It's not about that iPad 2 is a tablet and Galaxy S II is a phone, it's about what hardware th... moreAnd btw, Tom... Android is not just a little bit more fragmented... its WAY more fragmented. This is not a rumor or a "feeling"... its a fact. Look at how many different hardware sets are out there for android... and how so many versions and modified versions there are and how SOME apps won't work on many devices.... Tell me that isn't fragmentation.
And how about these ripped apps! Apps with the same name and are exactly the same - but different developer? Sounds like the result of an unsupervised pirating system. Sorry but that leads to malware and insecurity.
In my honest opinion - I just dislike Android that much that I'll never get another one. Doesn't matter to me if that phone can be overclocked to a million ghz... i'll never buy it!
- AnonD-10525
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Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011It's not about that iPad 2 is a tablet and Galaxy S II is a phone, it's about what hardware th... moreTom you keep talking as if you actually know something. But what you still don't understand is that you CANNOT COMPARE A TABLET WITH A PHONE! Its like DUH!
And the iPhone 5 is NOT OUT YET, so don't go all out acting like you know whats going to be in it. Apple hasn't released that info yet.... ALL IS RUMOR!
And - you act as if most smartphone buyers are looking for the same things you are. Guess what - most smart phone buyers - do NOT need one. And thats ok. This is one of the primary reasons why the iPhone does so well. It appeals to the masses moreso than all of the other phones. This is why the iPhone has changed the face of smartphones and also of WHO BUYS THEM. Do you get it now?
And I don't need to have tried a Galaxy 2 to compare it to the iPad (january tech) and to last years iPhone (july 2010 tech).... why? because its NEW... unlike the iPad 2 and the iPhone 4. When will you get it? Android blows, Tom. Plain and simple. It may be fast on paper, but due to Googles open system there is a lot of insecurity and malware in apps.... and this will slow any great piece of hardware down.
Tom, I'll say it again, no matter how much you can't understand it - I'll take any iPhone over any Android device. I dislike Android that much. Get it? At least the iPhone will be made well and will still work well even a few years after its release. Can't say that about many Android devices these days.
- Anonymous
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An underpowered device that does 100% of what you want it to do, will always beat a more powerful device that does 80% of what you want it to do.
- Tom-Helge
- Srd
AnonD-10525, 04 Jul 2011First of all... compare like products. The Galaxy 2 is a PHONE the iPad 2 is a TABLET! They ... moreIt's not about that iPad 2 is a tablet and Galaxy S II is a phone, it's about what hardware that will be used in iPhone 5.
And because iPhone 5 will use the same CPU and GPU and same iOS as iPad 2, then we have to take the performance of the iPad 2 in comparsion to the Galaxy S II.
Apple doesn't have anything else that they can compare with. iPhone 4 gets butt raped all over by the Galaxy S II in performance benchmarks. And just to give the Galaxy S II some challenge, then we have to use the iPad 2 with much more powerfull hardware than iPhone 4 have as comparsion.
An iPad 2 is still an oversized iPod Touch with better hardware ofc.
So why you don't understand why we have to use the iPad 2 to compare with against Galaxy S II when it comes to finding the performance on both?, then it's not me that lives in the stoneage where you don't have any freaking clue about hardwares.
iOS 5 is not out yet, but it's still tested all over. But ofc, there can be improvements. So lets hope for that.
And again, you don't seems to grasp the fact that if we have to compare our Galaxy S II to something that Apple have, then we have to take the newest handheld device with the newest hardware from Apple and compare that to the current dual core Android phones. Yes, the CPU in the iPad 2 is up to date and have dual core to.
But again, i can get my Galaxy S II to be 55% more powerfull than the iPad 2 or iPhone 5 on the CPU since i can overclock my Galaxy S II to 1552 Mhz stable, while iPad 2 and iPhone 5 is running at 1 GHz and can't be overclocked.
You talk about Android being fragmented?
I'm sorry to tell you this but iOS is pretty fragmented it self. Ofc Android is a little more fragmented. But for me it sounds like you are telling us that iOS isn't fragmented at all.
No i don't work for Samsung, but i have been working with the computer and mobilephone industry for many many years, so i'm pretty up to date in hardwares and all kind of stuffs with computers / mobilephones to do today.
Samsung Galaxy S II is 125.3 x 66.1 x 8.5 mm big. If you take 125.3 x 66.1 x 8.5, that will be 70399,805 if you calculate that.
Now take the iPhone. It's 115.2 x 58.6 x 9.3 mm big. If you take 115.2 x 58.6 x 9.3, that will be 62781,696 if you calculate that.
And 62782 + 12.14% = 70402,6134 that is the same size as the Galaxy S II.
So 12.14% bigger phone is not HUGE compared to iPhone 4.
Yes, i know what Apple is up to, because i checks every sites like GSMArena, Engadget, Android Central, Androinica and many more sites every damn day on what's happening out in the world when it's about computers and mobilephones today.
And what the experts and the guys who have good inside reports from Apple know i also knows.
Hahahaha, so you are telling me that iOS runs smoother on iPhone 4 than Android 2.3.3 does on my Galaxy S II?.
Can i ask if you have tried the Galaxy S II at all?
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Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011When it's about peoples choosing smaller screens today, then i don't buy that.
Because, tel... moreAnd lastly, if its all about hardware and "Android is sooo good". Then how come my friends iPhone 3G (not 3GS) outperformed my Galaxy? His phone ran smoother, didn't crash like my Galaxy, and held its battery life much longer. The iPhone 3G had only a 412mhz processor.
None of us were necessarily here trying to bash Android, but with all of your iPhone, Apple, and iOS bashing its just a natural reaction. Honestly the one thing that I can't stand more than Android - is rabid Android fanboys that talk so highly of there precious "open source" OS/phones and talk down to anyone that has an open mind and uses something different.
Backing up a bit.... you just need to lay off and realize that this article was just simply about the market share and status of iOS and other OSes. You can analyze the data and come to your own conclusions if you want to but its not going to change anything. People STILL love the iPhone. And that love will continue as long as Apple makes a smooth, well integrated, and intuitive product. And so far they've done a great job. The iPhone is a great phone. The Galaxy 2 has better hardware... but you talk down so badly about the iPhone 4 as if its a HORRIBLE phone. If you were truly objective you'd realize that the iPhone 4 is last years design and account for that in any comparison... OR you'd compare it against last years phones... like the Galaxy S.
- AnonD-10525
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Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011When it's about peoples choosing smaller screens today, then i don't buy that.
Because, tel... moreYou do a lot of talking about Apple and seem to act like you know what they are up to... but most of what you say is all Fandroid talk. You are ignoring everything we've been saying to you all this time. What don't you get? If ONE, repeat ONE 3.5" device hogs up TWENTY SEVEN % of the smartphone market ALL BY ITSELF... add to it the multitudes of OTHER 3.5" screens, and the multitudes of other yet SMALLER screens.... Where does that leave the larger screens? It leaves them as holding a smaller % of the market. Honestly 3.5" screens are still awesome. My Galaxy's screen was ok, but I could see the pixels. Then I'd go use my iPod to play Angry Birds without it crashing like on the Galaxy - and it looked sooo much clearer!
And again we'll add - its not about hardware, its about software. iOS just runs a whole lot smoother.
- AnonD-10525
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AnonD-1825, 04 Jul 2011It's still too big, i have tryed it and i had to stretch my fingers to operate with one hand, ... moreI agree with you. I had the Galaxy S and while the screen was nice to view, it felt big to type on. The Nokia N8 is 3.5" like the iPhone and its much easier to use one handed.
- AnonD-10525
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Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011Ehm, you know that the iPhone 4 is just some few mm thinner in how wide it is and just 1 cm lo... moreIn those 2 images you posted the bezels around the screens are actually of relative size. Meaning its not about the use of the front but how much of the front that you cannot use! Do you work for Samsung? You talk as if this phone is the greatest thing ever. Its still running Android, which knocks down the otherwise nice hardware to well below even my Nokia. I don't want my phone crashing no matter how big the screen is. And how can you look at those two pics and not see how much bigger the phone is?
- AnonD-10525
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Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011Yeah, but 80% of the iPad 2 is a battery. What do you expect?
Try putting that battery to t... moreFirst of all... compare like products. The Galaxy 2 is a PHONE the iPad 2 is a TABLET! They are NOT the same hardware. And the iPad 2 most certainly does not get the crap beat out of it by a phone. If you want to go that route then so be it. The iPad 2 (and iPad 1) are the best selling and highest rated tablets. Compare the iPad with its LIKE products, not a phone! They have similar yet DIFFERENT hardware. AND the OS on the iPad is OPTIMIZED for the higher resolution screen. Why do you think they released iOS 4 for the iPad much much later than they did for the iPhone?
And you keep talking about iOS 5 - its not out yet! Anything tested or compared is not market ready. Thats as bad as comparing a brand new phone to a 12 month old iPhone 4.
And honestly these mobile web browsers are so stinking fast anymore that fighting for that extra millisecond of load speed is really unimportant to most uses. Kinda like "big deal". But we'll see when the smoke clears. But for the time being - compare the iPhone 4 with LAST YEARS products.
And lastly... since you can't seem to understand that the iPhone 4 is LAST YEARS product and the iPad 2 ISN'T A PHONE... I'll completely ignore your last post. The iPad 2 is technology from JANUARY and the iPhone is from 2010. What don't you understand?
Honestly just keep on blasting the iPhone... I'd rather have the FIRST iPhone than any Android device. Android is unstable, it crashes, its buggy, its fragmented, and its insecure.
- Tom-Helge
- Srd
AnonD-1825, 04 Jul 2011And many many would pick smaller screen, or why you think iPhone still rule most of the phone ... moreWhen it's about peoples choosing smaller screens today, then i don't buy that.
Because, tell me how easy it is to use 2 fingers and use things that needs multitouch like zooming for example.
3.5 inch screen here gets way to small when it's about doing that kind of stuffs compared to how much easier it is to use multitouch on a 4+ inch screen. And not only that, but it's much more comfortable to see things bigger on a screen rather than small (because of very high resolution) on a rather small screen.
And no, the things about the CPU and the GPU that will be used in iPhone 5 isn't something that is a rumour half a year ago. This is pretty good information going around from peoples that knows quite alot about Apple.
This have been the case sinze iPad 2 was released. So it's just some few months old information.
Ehm lol, iPad 3 wont come this year, and because of that, then they have to use the technology that are current today that are available to Apple to use in iPhone 5.
iPad's will be the first handheld device from Apple that first will get the new hardwares before that hardwares gets to their new iPhones.
- AnonD-1825
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Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011Well, you better hope that they actually will put faster CPU and GPU in the iPhone 5. But the ... moreAnd many many would pick smaller screen, or why you think iPhone still rule most of the phone sells charts?
I still think there's bigger market for smaller screen than huge screens. And like i said way before, there's easier way to stand out with smaller screen than bigger screen. No competition almost at all.
About cpu and gpu rumours, there was that kind of rumours what you said maybe half year go, time when everyone thought that iPhone is coming summer, but it didnt happen.
If they are thinking iPad 3 now i think iPhone 5 is going to be closer to iPad 3 than iPAd 2.
- Tom-Helge
- Srd
AnonD-1825, 04 Jul 2011"And i doubt it will be any different on iPhone 5, because iOS 5 on iPad 2 will still be ... moreWell, you better hope that they actually will put faster CPU and GPU in the iPhone 5. But the chance of that happening is 0.1%.
But can you tell me what kind of CPU and GPU Apple is going to use if they aren't going to use the same as they have in iPad 2?
Every major newspapers and everyone of those who have good inside reports from Apple says that iPhone 5 is going to use the same CPU and GPU and the same RAM amount as iPad 2.
So you better check those on what they are saying first of all before you comes with other claims.
And to your last reply.
For you the Galaxy S II might be to big. But there is more and more that demands bigger screens on phones today, simply because a smartphone (Android in this case) can do so much and the experience gets much much better with a bigger screen.
- AnonD-1825
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Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011Ehm, you know that the iPhone 4 is just some few mm thinner in how wide it is and just 1 cm lo... moreIt's still too big, i have tryed it and i had to stretch my fingers to operate with one hand, didn't feel good.
Iphone screen is perfect size for ergonomic using for me. Never feel any stiffness in my fingers or hand. Maybe i could try 3,7" screen put that might be biggest.
Galaxy s2 is way too big.
- AnonD-1825
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Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011Yeah, but 80% of the iPad 2 is a battery. What do you expect?
Try putting that battery to t... more"And i doubt it will be any different on iPhone 5, because iOS 5 on iPad 2 will still be iOS 5 on iPhone 5."
i doub that, you are saying iPhone 5 gets same part than iPad 2 has, i don't think so.
For example iPad 2 uses 900mhz dual core and 512Mb RAM
iPhone 4 has same 512mb, i'm quite sure they are going to put more for iPhone 5, also i think apple is going to put faster processor for iPhone 5 than what iPad 2 have.
- Tom-Helge
- Srd
AnonD-1825, 04 Jul 2011Yes i know that android is gettin flstudio too someday not soon, hope the latency will be low ... moreEhm, you know that the iPhone 4 is just some few mm thinner in how wide it is and just 1 cm lower than Galaxy S II is in height in the whole phone size?.
Look here to see that the Galaxy S II isn't that much bigger: http://www.androidauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Galaxy-S-II-vs.-iPhone-4-2.jpg
And here: http://static.phonesreview.co.uk/wp-content/phoneimages/2011/04/white_iphone_4_vs_galaxy_s_ii_sg_0-580x437.jpg
It's all about using the front to the screen mostly.
iPhone 4 could easily have had a 4 inch screen on the same size as it is now. That's how badly they have used the front for the screen on iPhone 4
- AnonD-1825
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Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011FLStudio Mobile will come to Android soon anyways.
Well for you that already have bought an... moreYes i know that android is gettin flstudio too someday not soon, hope the latency will be low (for now they have problems with that). IPhone has ultra low latency so it's very nice to play with keyboard. Because there isn't any delay. Apple has always invest for musical aspect in their devices.
Even after your long feature list which i really dont need, my fingers or my hand didn't get any bigger while i read your post.
Your phone is still very HUGE and too big for most users, don't you get it? galaxy s2 doesn't suit for everyone, just like iPhone doesnt suit for everyone.
- AnonD-10525
- qC$
Tom-Helge, 04 Jul 2011FLStudio Mobile will come to Android soon anyways.
Well for you that already have bought an... moreYou keep going on and on and on about a phone that is NEW vs a phone that came out TWELVE months ago!!!! If you want at true and FAIR comparison... compare it to phones that came out around the same time as the iPhone 4.
One thing you missed was Airplay. Oh wait thats on iOS. Love Airplay. Works great and you see more and more apps using it all the time.
You have to keep something else in mind when you talk about phones that are cheaper and have greater specs - Many of them are NEWER and also are made of cheaper parts, unlike the iPhone.
And you may not like to hear this but did you ever think that the reason soooooo many people buy the iPhone and not an Android is because they feel Android is horrible????? I used it - can't stand it. I moved on! And there are MANY out there like me. Just accept the fact that its not ALL about the hardware and all these features that not too many people really care about that you keep listing. And for the love of God - stop comparing the year old iPhone 4 with a phone that is new. But seriously you can go on and on all you want and even claim to win some shallow victory here but I'd take the iPhone 3gs over ANNNNYYYY Android device.... hands down! I know its going to work well, not crash, be smooth, have great battery life, support MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER APPS, and I get the best support on the planet with Apple.
- Tom-Helge
- Srd
AnonD-10525, 04 Jul 2011Comparing a new phone for 2011 against the iPhone from 2010 is hardly fair. But honestly I'd ... moreYeah, but 80% of the iPad 2 is a battery. What do you expect?
Try putting that battery to the Galaxy S II and see what you get.
I'm comparing an iPad 2 to the Galaxy S II, because iPhone 5 is going to get the same CPU and GPU with the same iOS as iPad 2.
And when the Galaxy S II actually beats the crap out of iPad 2 in performace, then why makes you think iPhone 5 will be any better?
Ofc iPhone 5 will have a little lower resolution than what iPad 2 have, but the difference in performance on the Galaxy S II is so much better than what you get out of the iPad 2 that it wont have anything to say for iPhone 5.
The browser performance benchmarks on Galaxy S II was about 60-70% better over the browser performance in iOS 5. And i doubt it will be any different on iPhone 5, because iOS 5 on iPad 2 will still be iOS 5 on iPhone 5.
So if Apple doesn't change Safari in iOS totally or alot, then Safari wont stand a chance against Androids web browser performance on Galaxy S II.
The only thing Apple can do to temporary save it's face in the browser performance battle is to enable GPU hardware acceleration support in the browser.
Samsung Galaxy S II have this, but this is something that Samsung have done. This isn't default on Android 2.3.3 from Google.
And to the last thing you said. Tell me something an iPhone 4 or iPad 2 can do that my Samsung Galaxy S II can't do?
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