AnonD-733058, 12 Feb 2018Sorry but you trying to twist the topic . Its apple fault to put abysmal small battery inside ... moreIt doesn't matter how big a battery is. As the battery ages, the internal resistance goes up. If the current draw is too big, you can have a 15 Ah battery, and the phone would still shut down as the voltage dips. This is a basic rule for all batteries.
Besides, Apple are under no obligation to put oversized batteries in their phones. All they needed to do was inform users of the throttling.
Anonymous, 29 Jan 2018So much nonsense...
Samsung still charges $73 to replace the Edge battery. So whats your point?What you expect me to say by dragging unrelated samsung into this ? I dont use samsung and i dont care .
Anyway samsung have 3600mah double of apple . They should charge $158 by apple style .
FinnishInquisition, 29 Jan 2018It's how ALL hardware works. As the battery ages, it won't be able to deliver as much volta... moreSorry but you trying to twist the topic . Its apple fault to put abysmal small battery inside . If it was 2700mah non of this scandal will happen .
Anonymous, 29 Jan 2018And that proves what exactly? Not everyone with an iPhone is experiencing this either, it depe... moreProves that Apple makes major mistakes too...
"Unhealthy batteries"???????Come on there Mr. Anonymous.
Cheap Xiaomi casual, 29 Jan 2018I'm not quite understanding you there. You're right that battery degradation raises interna... moreYes. But the measured voltage when the battery is at rest is different from the measured voltage when you start drawing a current. That's why throttling works so well. It prevents the peak current draws that would make the voltage dip into the ground.
s.g.r, 30 Jan 2018If phones from Android manufacturers don't shut down when the battery degrades, isn't it safe ... moreThe only thing could say is that Apple went for too small batteries. They do not really develop/design them themselves. They give the dimensions the battery has to have.
Given the issue Apple has not being so present with Android devices, you could say they should design a better processor, that puts a less heavy demand on the battery.
If phones from Android manufacturers don't shut down when the battery degrades, isn't it safe to say that Apple's battery design wasn't the best?
Anonymous, 29 Jan 201899+ octane petrol does not offer more power than say 90-95 octane. It's just more stable lower... moreThe iPhone CPU doesn't need a higher voltage than Qualcomm ones. The car analogy is irrelevant. It's very simple. Batteries have internal resistance, so the more current drawn the lower the terminal voltage. Bigger batteries have less internal resistance than smaller ones, so can supply more peak current as well as more energy overall. Internal resustance gradually rises with recharge cycles. Phone CPUs and GPUs draw a lot more power when working at full clock speed. Apple simply miscalculated how big the battery needed to be to be able to supply sufficient current when the CPU was working flat out and the battery had aged, so that after a certain time (varies from battery to battery) the CPU/GPU could not longer run at full speed without errors. As an example the Sony Z5C, released at the same time as the iPhone 6C and roughly the same size, has a battery 50% larger. Presumably Sony engineers were more conservative than Apple ones. Gasoline, octane ratings, are nothing like this at all. A better example is a car with a radiator that silts up with time due to corrosion, so that eventually the car cannot travel at high speed without overheating and the driver has to go slower until it can be fixed. A car with a bigger radiator would go longer before it needed servicing.
Definitely yes, otherwise you can't use phone anyway. First of all Apple should apologise for putting cheap batteries into luxury phones.Kind of reminds me Dodge phone batteries, there it runs out in 6 months and even you charge it fimully shutdowns at 50 percent, it is unacceptable from Apple, should replace all that crap batteries for free, but instead will milk users as usual
Iskander, 29 Jan 2018Your comparison is off. First, petrol does not really degrade in offered performance, when the... more99+ octane petrol does not offer more power than say 90-95 octane. It's just more stable lower octane, and burns exactly when it's supposed to. No sooner, no later.
Apple CPUs need a minimum voltage in order to work, that is higher than what CPUs in Android phones need. If it's receiving lower than that, it shuts down the phone.
The car example is a parallel between the fuel properties (voltage and amps for phones) and the engine (CPU for phones).
It does not serve as a parallel between tank capacity or degradation. Batteries degrade over time, and if they cannot supply the right current ("high octane fuel"), the processor ("engine") will shut down the phone.
Anonymous, 29 Jan 2018iPhone processors are vastly superior to anything Android phones use. They have more computati... moreYour comparison is off. First, petrol does not really degrade in offered performance, when the tank is getting more empty, unlike a phone battery, which has a Voltage of over 4V at full capacity, but something below 3.5V when near empty. Also the tanks capacity remains equal, even after 1000 fill-ups. Not the same for batteries. After some 500 full fill-ups many batteries maintain a capacity of 80% to 85% or so of the maximum capacity when it was brand new.
Then, when you state that an iPhone would need the equivalent of octane 99+ petrol, you would basically say the iPhone needs a 7,4/7,6V battery, instead of a standard 3,7/3,8V battery. Maybe Apple would have been better off if they had done so, if they could have managed fitting it in the given designs.
In any case, the processor, powerful as it may be, isn't very suitable for the product it is put into. It's like putting a 6L V12 into an old Mini Cooper and hope you won't rip the chassis.
Anonymous, 29 Jan 2018This is not entirely true, apple's processor performs much better because of the ios optimizat... moreThey did not issue an apology for adding the battery feature. They issued an apology for not properly informing users about how it works. The feature is still there, and users are now allowed to turned it off just for the sake of avoiding unneeded talks between Apple and the people who think this is 'planned obsolence'.
All of those who will experience random shutdowns due to poor battery health, will keep this feature on, OR will replace their battery, OR will buy a new phone. All others who now defend 'their freedom of choice' will start using this feature as soon as their phone shuts down when they need it most.
Anonymous, 29 Jan 2018iPhone processors are vastly superior to anything Android phones use. They have more computati... moreThis is not entirely true, apple's processor performs much better because of the ios optimization and lack of bloatware and features, and that's why its less energy demanding, and this is why apple uses smaller batteries than other android device manufacturer, the CPU throttling is not necessary and its main purpose was to force users to upgrade, if it was so necessary they would in no way send an apology and then add the option for the user to disable it.
Anonymous, 29 Jan 2018That what you get for buying overpriced phones....Highest performance is always more expensive than normal performance.
Supercars are vastly more expensive than road cars.
That's what you get when you want the best performance. You pay more for it and you have to pay more in the long run. If you want it and can afford it, good for you. If you want it, can buy it, but can't afford to pay for premium petrol, then you can't afford it.
iPhones are not for the masses. They are for people who want the best performance and are able to sustain their purchase in the long run.