anti-you, 20 Mar 2018are you even related to the company? its business you know? go back to school man. such a racist -_-You haven't understand...that's not racism...I haven't any problem with chinese
I'm only against Qualcomm's monopoly and the way they built it according to some jugements.
I would like to see more major companies to use Mediatek's...it doesn't mind me if these major companies are chinese or not.
I only think the lack of updates aren't related to Mediatek but to OEM.
Today's customers of Mediatek are often tiny OEM (like Ulefone for exemple...love their T2 PRO, but I'm not confident to see update on it) that can't update devices.
As I can't find many Helio X or P on devices in Europe and as I doesn't want to support Qualcomm, I sometime buy devices from these tiny OEM, and I'm mostly happy with it.
But I would be glad to find devices with Mediatek's and better support.
Maybe with Oppo! Unfortunately, R15 seems to forget to use LTE Bands 20 and 28
I use other soc too, from Amlogic or Realtek (and try Rockchip and Allwinner).
Anonymous, 27 Feb 2018You don't answer the question! Hw much OEM Pay to Qualcomm even when they don't use Snapdragon... moreare you even related to the company? its business you know? go back to school man. such a racist -_-
[deleted post]The question is simple :
What about patents?
- the definition of standard essential patents (SEP)
- the definition of fair, reasonable and non discriminatory (FRAND)
- the definition of abuse of dominance
- find judgments I talk about
I advice to read Korean judgement...you can find it on Qualcomm's website!
You will imagine why an expensive flagship will never use Mediatek.
There are major OEM (Samsung, HTC, Sony...). They have team of developers and they pay it. They get modules from vendors (soc, touchscreen, gyroscope, camera) and build the firmware.
There are small OEM. They are mainly a factory and have a very limited team of developpers. Providing modules is vendor's job. Building rom is OEM's job. You haven't the team to build it, you ask someone to do it! But you pay for that! That's normal!
Mediatek's customers are :
- small OEM. Limited team lead to limited updates...easy to understand
- major OEM on entry level. Limited Price lead to limited updates...
I must add that Sony or Nokia release updates on their few devices that use Mediatek's soc.
Gene IRL, 27 Feb 2018You see, the reason why there aren't custom ROMs for MTK chip-based phones is because of they ... moreYou don't answer the question! Hw much OEM Pay to Qualcomm even when they don't use Snapdragon?
Tiny chinese OEM don't developpe Rom themselves! Rom isn't only soc related!
Ask them to pay their own developpers instead asking Mediatek to do their job! Yes it cost!
Anonymous, 26 Feb 2018What about patents? Remember that Qualcomm was condamned in China, korea, Taiwan and European... moreYou see, the reason why there aren't custom ROMs for MTK chip-based phones is because of they never share the source code for free, and even if they do share it, they want money for doing it. If the manufacturers pay that fee, the fee will be reflected on the price. So either they make the phone more expensive, or simply not upgrade Android in the future.
Anonymous, 26 Feb 2018Strange things on Mediatek's webpage!
P30 announce 4k/30fps and h265/vp9 encoding
P60 announ... moreMediatek shenanigans :)
I bought 2 different Mediatek handsets last year without thinking thoroughly due to attractive prices, no support for Oreo, no 4K coding or decoding, less network frequencies. It's pain to not be able to read 4K media recorded by older phones such as Galaxy S5 for example or 4K feeds...
Seanyy, 26 Feb 2018Personally I think they should have jumped to the newer Cortex-A75 and A55 cores. Because th... moreReason is costs...
They can't sell real high-end, like mt6595 or X30. Both are commercial failures!
Helio P serie is Snapdragon 6xx counterpart, not S8xx...
According to Geekbench P60 scores as well as 660.
Mediatek introduce many things on soc before Apple, Huawei or Qualcomm but people and market doesn't know/care :
- h265 decoding support
- vp9 decoding support
- 4k/h265/vp9 encoding support
- dual camera native support both dual focal zooming and black&white+color
- 120hz screen support
- Artificial Intelligence
- dual-sim volte
If you can't reach OEM, all you will do is useless...
X30 reach only Meizu Pro 7 Plus
Mt6595 reach only Meizu and zopo
French websites only test P25 version or Pro 7!!!!
So that Mediatek stop helio X serie
Personally I think they should have jumped to the newer Cortex-A75 and A55 cores. Because they are more power efficient and they are faster cores at the same clock speed as a Cortex-A73 and A53. MediaTek is always behind the others.
Anonymous, 26 Feb 2018Wondering if it supports 4K and Hevc for both coding and decoding unlike p20 & p23 last yearStrange things on Mediatek's webpage!
P30 announce 4k/30fps and h265/vp9 encoding
P60 announce 16MP/90fps...but only h264 encoding! No sense!
Anonymous, 26 Feb 2018How many cores in adreno 506 ?? I don't known because in mali gpu the number is clear mp2 = 2 ... moreCores means nothing on gpu!
A dual core on powerVR is often as powerfull than a quadcore on Mali...
It's hard to compare even 3D benchmarks aren't able to do it properly.
Gpu does texturing, geometry
High-end soc treats texturing and bandwidth to scores on benchmarks.
When benchmarks says high-end is 3 Times better, you sometime get only 30% better framerate in real game.
Many games run well on a PowerVR6250 (2 cores) even on a 2560*1600 screen!
Benchmarks are made to give you reasons to buy flagship
ProJames, 26 Feb 20181: Why 12nm? Like, competitors are at 14nm or 10nm, but MediaTek always wants to be special (t... more14nm is user by Samsung for Exynos ans Snapdragon...
Tsmc use 16nm instead...both are very close!
Apple and Huawei used Tsmc 16nm too on aime soc...
AI exists on Helio X20 before Huawei and Apple talk about it!!!!
It doesn't use only CPU but Heterogeneous multiprocessing...the soc is able to use CPU/gpu/isp/dsp for AI...
For exemple dsp is more efficient for voice recognition
Isp for image/face recognition.
OK, now all we need is a phone for this chip. I will buy such a phone immediately as it will be considerably cheaper than qualcomm competition. Or exynos. Like Galaxy A8. 500 EUR? For a midrange chipset? Never...
How many cores in adreno 506 ?? I don't known because in mali gpu the number is clear mp2 = 2 cores or mp4 = 4 cores ... in adreno not easy to know 😓
ProJames, 26 Feb 20181: Why 12nm? Like, competitors are at 14nm or 10nm, but MediaTek always wants to be special (t... moreit's a mid-range SoC, doesn't need to use top of the line lithography process to be relevant. heck, even 14nm FF are still damn good.
1: Why 12nm? Like, competitors are at 14nm or 10nm, but MediaTek always wants to be special (that 16nm...).
2: Yaaaay! That AI madness buzzword! I just want AI to be a dumb bubble like the dot com bubble. LET IT BURST. Also that AI core I bet it is only a 0.5GHz A53. Keep the prices MT-low
Wondering if it supports 4K and Hevc for both coding and decoding unlike p20 & p23 last year
Gene IRL, 26 Feb 2018MediaTek always gimps the GPU.
IMO the only thing holding back MediaTek is that it is not... moreWhat about patents?
Remember that Qualcomm was condamned in China, korea, Taiwan and European Union...
Each year Qualcomm pay for abusing (from 774 millions to 995 millions)...but earn 6 billions benefits with patents for exemple in 2016 (that's far far more than their benefits on soc). What will they stop?
Apple accuse them to force buying their products (lte chip)...
Imagine if they put Apple, a Powerfull company, under preasure, what are they able to do with weaker companies.
What will be the market if more major OEM use Mediatek? An entry level soc, mt6737, released with Android 6.0 is up to date if used by Nokia.
JoHei, 26 Feb 2018It's not gimped. This isn't a flagship so it looks good IMO. This SoC probably is in the level... moreWith the P series, maybe not, but with the X series, it is severely outmatched by rival's competing products.