Sunday debate: What matters more - performance or efficiency Comments
- zodiacfml
- xCD
AnonD-558092, 08 Apr 2018I'm pretty sure that's because of Intel that's perfectly fine with the garbage they sell since... moreI agree! I know this as I kept preaching through the years that quad core should be mainstream a few years back since internet browsers could use the extra threads. Weren't for AMD finally getting 14nm and more cores, Intel wouldn't have lifted a finger.
Intel also intentionally delayed the 10nm tech for plenty times already. Making it just a few months ahead of the 7nm tech of TSMC or Samsung/Globalfoundries/AMD when it comes around the end of the year.
- AnonD-134284
- 80h
Efficiency. I don't want the fastest phone on the planet only for the battery to die after 3 hours.
- AnonD-558092
- r7b
zodiacfml, 08 Apr 2018Actually, smartphone industry got their performance a lot faster than the PC industry did. In... moreI'm pretty sure that's because of Intel that's perfectly fine with the garbage they sell since there's a monopoly on the PC market. Windows barely runs on a Celeron. Pentium is OK on light load, but even the i3 can have it's hard times with normal usage.
For a durable computer, you need a quad-core i5 at the very least, and a Core i7 for very durable.
- AnonD-558092
- r7b
Kiyasuriin, 08 Apr 2018Do not include everyone. James. D:<
I am a developer, and when I code something, I do the ... moreSorry. I was targetting big corporation programmers (Windows comes to mind with it's poor resource management and Android couls do things much better, and let's not talk about the custom OEM UI...)
And I don't want to downplay the importance of their job. I want to become one actually.
- AnonD-744321
- D9q
powerful of effective? why can't you have both?
for example RAZER phone is one of (if not the) most powerful gaming handsets in the world but it consumes to much battery si to solve the problem they made the battery bigger
other examples Apples chipset is extremely powerful and effective so they made the battery smaller and less RAM (yes it decrease the price but not buy a huge difference so it is probably to show off their proformence :$P) the main reason behind thet effective proformence is the IOS since it handles the RAM differently it has less back ground apps and the OS is MUCH lighter on the chipset so if you put A11 bonic (Apples chipset) in an android device you will have an INSTANT app open and MUCH LOWER battery life
in my opinion most people don't use that much of power except power users but there isn't that much of different between power and effective chipset (can you see the difference between IPHONE X and SAMSUNG GALAXY S9?)
and having more battery isn't that great ether (energizer power max is one of the heaviest phones ever with the biggest battery)
so here is some solutions :-
1) lighter build so you can have bigger battery (TOTALLY not Samsungs glass design)
2) lighter os to save battery
3) find the power/effective formula like SD 625
your choices ;-)
- Anonymous
- t7M
Most phone users use their phone for taking pictures, logging on social media, watching videos, playing casual games like Candy Crush, texting, and making phone calls. None of those requires a high-end CPU/GPU. They do however require a large battery to make them last the whole day. So for me, efficiency is important.
Build a phone with high-end camera, mid-range CPU/GPU, and a big battery.
- Alien
- 3RM
I love bash script and playing with the terminal (Termux). I spend a lot of time writing scripts and testing them on my phone and I have to say performance is still needed in many cases. Per example making big tiff files, reading a very large database etc.
I'm not saying efficiency isn't necessary, I'm saying i want more power when i open huge files with thousands of lines so that my phone doesn't freeze and I have to reboot the phone.
Maybe for that silly facebook and some games they are ok, but when you want to get serious, you still encounter performance problems..
My dream is to run the real Linux/Unix os on a smartphone without any problems.
- Anonymous
- n5p
Why can't we have both? And you really be able to make any decision you'd want to know the power efficiency benefits of a mid range chipset over a flagship one of the same generation, you'd need to have the same battery, OS and software in order to make a fair comparison.
- Anonymous
- mN{
Both performance and efficiency are very important. If your SoC is underpowered it will require more time, thus power, to complete a task. The newest SoCs are powerful and efficient enough, but the rest of the smartphone is not. The screen and all connectivity modules consume too much power. And the battery tech is not evolving fast enough.
- zodiacfml
- xCD
zodiacfml, 08 Apr 2018Actually, smartphone industry got their performance a lot faster than the PC industry did. In... moreI guess there are plenty smart readers in your site. They already thought of your poll as weak.
For me, this debate is not relevant anymore where we have learned a lot in the past SD800 and SD 810 experience.
The SD800 is blazing fast but it couldn't keep it for long (throttles to a speed equal to a cheap quad core) while consuming a lot of power. The SD 810 just made it worse.
A poll I'd rather have is between a slim phone or a thicker one in exchange for more battery life and/or cooling performance.
- zodiacfml
- xCD
Actually, smartphone industry got their performance a lot faster than the PC industry did. In just a decade, it exceeded the low end of desktop-laptop CPU-graphics performance.
Back then, performance was all that mattered because smartphones were obviously slow and we got it in the SD800 and SD810. Both were power hogs in a time where powerbanks were not popular. We got our performance for in exchange for battery life.
Since the 14nm and recent 10nm technologies, smartphones became power efficient despite increasing in CPU/GPU performance. Releasing the 7nm parts, we'll get a bump both in performance and efficiency
Off the topic but more crucial, it matters more to have a larger phone than a slim device with slim battery life.
- Anonymous
- m5k
Who is developing the micro led screens? Samsung or the rest of the market?
- PeterThePanda
- t7x
This poll is stupid.
Performance and efficiency go hand-in-hand.
A smartphone that is power-efficient but runs slower than a speeding sloth is just wasting power. Likewise, a smartphone that has the best performance but is inefficient in energy usage is also wasting power.
- Akinaro
- d%W
yeah, when half of people here are kids that most of their time spend near power source and other half are people who work in office where they dont mid leaving phone charing near them. Of course no one care about battery.
But when you are on the move, you drive a car often, use phone for actual work plugging and unplugging phone from chargers keeping with you batterypack all the time with annoying cable or finding a public place to leave phone charge for few minutes without worrying that someone take it is just not good.
As for speed... seriously? today we have times when even mid-range phone dont have trouble running any app... you want to fight for 0.5s faster loading?
If kids play lots of games its obvious that they need more speed, but I dont know a single person with new mid/high range phone that complain about speed... For most of time its app that is bad made or slow internet that people use in public places.
Im not kidding people can say that phone is rubbish because it load site for 5seconds... when using wifi in restaurant.... its like blaming car for bumpy road you ride on...
- Anonymous
- pdH
Yep. It depends...
the phone has to be fast enough for what you wan to do with it. When there is enough performance to your need, then the most efficient phone that can give you that performance is the best option.
I don`t think that nobody needs a phone that is faster than anything In The universe, but last 5 second untill it eats all power From battery is very usefull... so the rigth balance is always the most important factor in there.
- Bo6
- Nus
I voted "Performance" because that is the main reason why I chose a phone over another, but I believe there should be an exception : when a phone costs 800+ $ it should deliver Performance of course but also last at least 2 days or even more.
That is why I wait until the end of the year to buy a smartphone, so I can chose the one that offers me the best of both world and I don't really care much about the price.
I hope manufacturers like "Nokia" should bring back the phones with removable battery(regarless of the size of the phone) so I can change it when it starts fooling. I've been able to use my Samsung Galaxy S4 for 5 years and still do, thanks to the removable battery.
- r33fd
- LaC
This poll is stupid.
Aren't those things hand in hand ?
The poll should have been something like "performance vs battery life" and then it would make sense.
- Meme Super Rage
- PxV
Ain't efficiency mean good performance?
Eg. Xperia xz2, its software efficiency makes a great battery life and lag free performance and good performance happens from good optimization.
This debate seems so absurd and more like saying
"Good vs bad battetylife" while phones can have both. But, phones already have good performance and all they need is simply put bigger battery. It isn't comparing capacity from a company is more efficient than the others but rather the same company with all their optimization and bigger mah, like as if iPhone had 4000mah rather than 2700mah
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