Typical Iran government propaganda BS, Government wants to control opposition and feared of inability to track communication through Telegraph. Iran government is typical Totalitarian government, nothing new in middle east
The Scientist Pigeon, 03 May 2018before boiling so hot, first of all read my last reply line by line. As you are not aware of a... moreGood. It seems you just reply! not answer!
Apperantly you're the one who is boiling! I'm just fine.
Even though you couldn'tt answer my questions, but I got it. You failed dude. You evaded! Like your pervious comments, You just wanted to show off yourself with some irrelevant theories. Keep going loser.
Yeah, keep supporting them and you'll be rewarded, Spy!
Persian Boy, 03 May 2018You just call it a bug?! It is unacceptable and so awkwardly. You know why? Because they don't... morebefore boiling so hot, first of all read my last reply line by line. As you are not aware of anything, I clearly answered everybody from May the 1st.
Use either your finger or mouse to see my replies from May the 1st.
Then stick anything to anyone.
If you are aware of your own privacy for your naked photos, I warn whole nations from new spies.
My first reply to a comment clarifies everything. If you want, continue. You are unable to follow tasks and call yourself analyst???
Before replying again, there are 4 pages of comment in this news, read them all from my first reply or comment.
The Scientist Pigeon, 03 May 2018Bugs were discussed earlier.
Down comments and you will find my points there.
You claime... moreYou just call it a bug?! It is unacceptable and so awkwardly. You know why? Because they don't care about these kind of bugs. They're just focusing on how can collect necessary information. Hello! We're talking about privacy here! Not an insignificant common bug!
For the part you said about 1388, First of all it was for almost 10 years ago and there were not such online spy messengers. They're planning to prevent further calamities by establishing such apps. And secondly, they've got all the bandwidths to achieve their goal. Don't worry about it.
Maybe there's no any evidence to convince you for this on the internet (for now).
You're backing them up so hardly as it seems you're one of their developers!
I don't know why you persist on this! Everything is clear as a bell and you still try to deny it.
And yeah, thanks for reminding that Soroush brand is owned by IRIB and Larijani which all of Iranians are well-aware about them! IRIB definitely is the most liar broadcast in the world. And it owns Soroush! Great!
Indeed, Why didn't you answer my questions?
I asked you what's the purpose of this decision? Just to support Iranian businesses like Soroush? It's absolutely nonsense and both of us know it. Because if they were into it, they could do lots of things for Iranian developers which they didn't.
Tell me, why did they block Telegram and suddenly moved anything into Soroush messenger? Isn't that because they couldn't monitor Telegram?
Isn't that because of the Iranian government wanted to have Telegram servers in Iran? In order to control its data and users? And Telegram refused so they became against it. What part of this is incomprehensible for you? Even a child can conclude this from the decision they've made.
And beside this, I've said it twice and I say it again. Look at the permissions need to be granted by Soroush app which expertise say this is nonsense and skeptical!
It is quite obvious why they're doing this. Even one of the parliament's member said that we're not able to control what's going on in Telegram. They just leaked themselves too many times and you still insist they're not!
If you're denying all of these reflective questions and evidences, and evading of proper answers, so we're done discussing here!
Persian Boy, 02 May 2018Stop exaggerating! Why you're trying to complicate things? How did you come up to this that I'... moreBugs were discussed earlier.
Down comments and you will find my points there.
You claimed eavesdropping which is what I want documents.
Bugs are everywhere in any platforms and apps.
Your point changed drastically from governmental eavesdropping to finding someone phone numbers.
Is your minister "Jahromi" is too stupid to use a credit number as its most influential structure?
Who can find him with such number there.
Politicians in Iran use their primary number in order to be registered as valid in that country. Do not know even know this simple part of your country's basic laws. Haqeeqi/Hoqooqi persons?
You use your personal number in office. Long live Clinton!!!!
I think there is no data security even for those imaginary eavesdroppers in your country, or just want to spread some words to claim yourself as legit.
For you to know:
Soroush is a trade mark in your country owned by:
Natural Person: (Najaf Born) (Current chief of parliament)Ali Larijani
Juridical company: (Governmental TV Organizaton)IRIB
Anything in your country named sorosh/sorush/surush/sooroosh/soroush/soroosh
are directly owned and managed by either of them.
In 1388 Iranian Calendar there was eavesdropping team to listen and gather information from candidates. Current Mr. ICT minister was among the 100 people team which listened and tracked every movement of those final 4.
Not 3 people for aech, in your country there were 25 for each. And you say machines do this and do that for 80 million people by an app which could maximum support 5 million online users with its available 50GB bandwidth?????
You talk like IKCO CEO "Mercedes-Benz and BMW were unable to pass our safety tests".
Eavesdropping is not a casual game that you do in your Android or iDevices.
Collect info about your claims, then talk.
"Russia banned Telegram over the its refusal to provide users' data to government authorities"
just so that you know the full story, government only asked for data for 6 (six!) people, not everyone, and there were court decisions to support that request
The Scientist Pigeon, 02 May 2018Do you Install Apps on your carpet?
Do you live in a country with 80 Million Spy?
Do you use... moreStop exaggerating! Why you're trying to complicate things? How did you come up to this that I'm a drug dealer or other bull$hits?
I'm an Iranian who cares about this land more than you do! I don't know if you're an Iranian either and can you read persian at all.
You want a document, here you are:
As it is clear in the above picture, the app uses the owner phone number as ID which it is so unsecure and it can be found easily in codes.
And if you know Persian so google it and you'll see some threads about horrible bugs of Soroush app which totally threatened the security and privacy. Here are some trusted websites which analysed this app and they call it unsafe:
Even our Minister of Communication called it "Catastrophic" !
And the permissions this app ask to grant are so skeptical.
J.s, 02 May 2018Don't worry guys, Pavel Durov will prove that mullahs can't fight technology How?
Iranian pay for VPNs and Durov just offer almost useless SOCKS5 which is now banned in two operator.
Is there anything that you know in your country to bypass Telegram, offer to your people. Yesterday there were news about ADSL lines still not filtered the messaging app.
Instead of talking who defeats who, tell something useful for your neighbors.
Persian Boy, 02 May 2018How naive you are! I don't know why you're repeatedly talking about under age people which nob... moreDo you Install Apps on your carpet?
Do you live in a country with 80 Million Spy?
Do you use any drugs?
Do you know everything about your domestic government and still call it regime?!?
This is a tech site.
I think you must give one solid reference that I can omit all facts and turn to your nonsense claims.
Maybe you want to show us a picture like what BB showed in General Assembly years ago!
Do you even know what naïve mean, that is inside all your comments?
Are you drug dealer or smartphone smuggler. Because I collected infos about Iranian business over the web.
- Illegal Cosmetics.
- rebranded good with Made in Iran logo in their box
- currency exchange
- illegally imported smartphone market. Brands that even their manufacturer have no clue how they were exported abroad.
- Music/Video Channels full of infringed copy rights.
- Drug dealers
Based on your comment you no nothing about networking and maybe you have crime record in Iran or you are not even in that country.
In order not to call you Liar, please send reference numbers of documents that you have, in order not to bypass your security.
If you are not aware, each documented record has its reference number and if you have nothing, please stop talking irrelevantly.
For under age matter. Applications need user and recorded Iranian users by their claim as filling web forms are varying from 6 to 96 years old. 18 to 45 are most and below or above skewed the diagram.
Don't worry guys, Pavel Durov will prove that mullahs can't fight technology
The Scientist Pigeon, 02 May 2018Spy from who?
Under ages have nothing to do with security concerns.
For listening to a p... moreHow naive you are! I don't know why you're repeatedly talking about under age people which nobody cares about their interests, neither will government! Forget about children, this is about adults!
And what you're focused on is totally irrelevant with the fact that Soroush is untrustworthy! Iranian regime is cabale of doing eavesdropping without any problem at all thanks to these apps! They just need a huge database which they already have it, and the app records everything automatically! Just like a CCTV cam. No man hands! It's that simple!
You're trying to deny it or what? I don't buy it what you're thinking about right now! And I didn't back the west up and I don't care what Samsung did or did not, etc. I'm talking about these local messaging apps and it has nothing to do with anything else. Nobody is safe to use them as they used telegram. Especially for those who intend to do online marketing using channels.
If it isn't for spying, then what's the purpose? Supporting the domestic services? by blocking foreigners??
They have neutralized hundreds of online jobs! This is the crime itself! Don't try to show them as innocents.
Persian Boy, 02 May 2018It might not be a concern for you, but it is for us. Who cares about these children you call t... moreSpy from who?
Under ages have nothing to do with security concerns.
For listening to a person's conversation, there must be 3 people involved, capable to write or type or even record facts. When someone talks about restaurant, rest room or taking shower, those machines or people must be active to record every action.
Such scenario is not applicable to any governmental scale.
Sensitive to government Locations will be tracked, record and send to officials as spywares do so.
If you imagine Iran is a country with ability to make software from scratches, then you are wrong.
People who are not against will live in their own freedom. Under age people are among them.
For example Iranian need something and other countries offer them something else.
Do you have Siri/Cortana/Galaxy/Bixby/Google voice assistants in Persian?
This is what Iranian need from official abroad suppliers.
Instead, They offer Iranian low end handsets with NFC in them.
Do you have any facility there, work with NFC?
Samsung directly makes fun of Iranian. There are available features in their handsets which are not supported by banks and Samsung ask Iranians to pay the price of those useless part.
I think 110 is the SOS in Iran. Until 2015, Official importers and contracted manufacturers use 911 for SOS in their handset as default and not changeable.
At least Lumia from WP8.1 had ability to so something free of charge with NFC which was unofficial there.
France and Russia are not trust worthy at all. And I'm still confusing that countries with the record of more than 100 years for invasion and destruction in Iran are both supported by government and anti government people in Iran?!?
Telegram arrived by Iran's government and forced people to gradually tend to it. People gradually left Viber and WhatsApp, Line an we chat to stay in trusted then, telegram. Now Russia has west target to be spied by its services. Iran as a bad cop help Russia to fulfill this strategy.
How strange some people might be!!!!
I use Slack as my conference room must be secure in order to keep my patents more confidential.
2005 was the year that majority of Iranian people migrated to Facebook from Yahoo and the same scenario happened then. FB is the safest environment to discuss freely about everything. I was against as I am today with Telegram.
Do research and find the goal of free apps. Then step by step grow your knowledge base and after that you can say which one is secure or insecure.
Relativity works great here.
If you want secure connection, either pay a fortune to buy data collector servers or Run a private Network over Secure layers of 64-bit TCP/IP.
The third way is not found yet.
Anonymous, 01 May 2018Were you replying to the article or someone in particular?To the article. If I was replying to someone. I'd make sure there was that quote bubble thingy.
I never was telegram user
I remembered one day at time when Facebook's request it was too: give me your phone number..!! and,I didn't accept..!! IMO, say no to social messenger..!!! Just because Private is phantom thread that, that long time is dead..
MojTaba, 01 May 2018how you can say this:Iran has 10 million supporter of Government which are under 16
given by ... more1- Age Range of 6 to 16(School Period), Children In Iran based on governmental document to UNICEF (are trustable enough as they are gathering from officials in the home country, unless they want to cheat which is a different matter.)
People under proper age are naturally supporter of stronger which now is the country's Supreme Leader "Ayatollah Khamenei"
2- Dark means neither clear nor corrupted. Iran is a country like others which has confidential red lines. So to say the country has people view (Open Web for Everyone) and Political view (Some materials are suitable for governmental family [parliament members' family In focus] and are harmful for ordinary people[YouTube channels with direct local reserved addresses and twitter/facebook official accounts])
3- This is What President Rouhani said in his first appearance in UN's General Assembly. "We offer People every thing, inform them and make them decide which one is better for them". Exact contrary to former President Ahmadi Nejad's speech in that matter.
4- Soroush or BisPhone are not independent. There is nothing to do with data flaw. Even current release of iOS is due to lower bugs and security flaws. There is talk about access. Even if Telegram or any other social sevices accept to enter the country and pass them full access to data, people will leave that too. Can you firmly claim that illegal appointments by IR measures won't be tracked?
2009 Mr. Ahmadinejad was Valid and 8 years later Invalid by the same law and law makers? This was happened before too, again based on current government's documents to distinguish Mr. Rouhani with predecessors.
5- Once I focused on (already left to dusts) Farlix development which had too many flaws to be called a refined version of Linux, let alone call it full fledge OS. As I know Iranian are mostly Microsoft centric programmer by Visual Studio. So, they are able to refine apps in other platforms, port them and release final versions for official app stores to find further bugs and fix them continuously.
A news said Soroush pull the plug from Apple's App store. Instead of working on claims from Apple's app supervision department, they left it completely?!?
With such effort they want to reduce further bugs? The more user, the better refinement, which means bugs will appear as users use the service more and more.
People in General Sense and right mind have a bold wrong belief:
"If foreigners know who I am or am I doing is not important. If locals know who am I or what am I doing, they will make harm to me."
The Scientist Pigeon, 01 May 2018Specifically to you and those who think like you:
Iran has 10 million supporter of Governme... moreIt might not be a concern for you, but it is for us. Who cares about these children you call them government supporters?!
The very first option for choosing a messaging app is security which Soroush and silimar Iranian apps don't provide it. They will eavesdropping easily using these kind of apps and this is an acceptable reason to ignore such apps. Telegram proved to be the most secure messaging app (alongside with the Signal Messenger) and that's what the matters most.
The proxy for telegram can be taken here telegram-socks.tk or from the bot @tproxies_bot
Reza Pirozfar, 01 May 2018As an Iranian, I'm using sourosh app instead of telegram for a while and I have no problem wit... moreYep! You're using Soroush in the most ordinary way but take a look at the permissions granted by this app. And you're not supposed to know what data they're stealing from your phone! Because as I said, you're just a naive and ordinary user who seems doesn't care about his privacy. Don't fool yourself that Soroush or other kind of Iranian apps are just normal messengers. We all know why they intend to replace these apps with Telegram.
And yeah! This is resistance! It's a soft civil war and they're forcing people to do what they dictated. Open your eyes buddy, we're in a middle of something serious.
AnonD-655219, 01 May 2018The Iranian government has a lot of enemies and a telegram has become a place to promote rumor... moreAnyone who is into dat sort of shit (terrorism) would know easily to by pass any such stupid limitations
This wont hav any affect on terrorism
Only this it does is, piss off the people