Anonymous, 03 Jun 2018not that guy, but here are some facts:
1-Linux is not an Operating System. Linux is a kernel.... moremr facts let me tell u STH: in general gnu/linux is called linux which seems u are unaware of it!(or maybe you are one of those who are against this sort of naming?)
and again i was talking about android userland you got the wrong idea!(can't recall i said android is a fork of linux which you brought up as one of your reasons.)
AFAIK the only gnu/linux on nexus 4 and nexus 5 is sailfish os which runs on android HAL and drivers.(you need a base of CM for it to work which is currently CM12.1 if i am not mistaken and it is quite a while let my nexus 4 R.I.P. maybe call it back to life who knows (: )
about "Microsoft won't probably ALLOW other OSes to run on that device": i will not go that far, which means we have to wait to see what comes (probably you are right with this one)(but if one really want to install linux will find a way to do so as i did with my Surface pro)
i can recall in some laptops a driver from intel prevent linux to been installed on them which later has been fixed by intel.
dladz, 05 Jun 2018If this is done right, i think QC are onto a winner here.Agree.... IF done right.
1) Windows has to fully stabilize and release a full version of Windows on ARM
2) OEM devices are existing (we have a few now but reports say they are unstable)
3) The price is right
If this is done right, i think QC are onto a winner here.
Moj, 02 Jun 2018why people keep saying this?
it is not the same!
android based on linux kernel on it's very ... morenot that guy, but here are some facts:
1-Linux is not an Operating System. Linux is a kernel. Linux does not have a userland.
2-Android is still using Linux, with OEMs modifying it for each phone. AOSP is still using Linux and will always be. Android is USING Linux, it is NOT a fork of Linux. Did i mention Android is using Linux?
3- If you combine Linux kernel with GNU userland, you get a GNU/Linux distrobution, which includes Ubuntu,Fedora,Chrome OS etc. but not Chrome.
4-GNU/Linux is currently running numerous ARM devices, including Nexus 4 and Nexus 5, Meizu MX5, and anything embeddded.
problem is not Snapdragon, or how Android and GNU/Linux is "different", the problem is Microsoft won't probably ALLOW other OSes to run on that device. This was discussed before.
I think a little perspective on these ARM Quadcores is important here:
1.6GHz Cortex A9 Exynos 4412
1.5GHz Krait-200 QSD 400/S4 Pro
1.7GHz Krait-300 QSD 600
2.3GHz Krait-400 QSD 800
2.7GHz Krait-450 QSD 805
2.1GHz Cortex A57 Exynos 7420
2.3GHz Cortex A72 Exynos 8890
2.4GHz Cortex A73 QSD 835
2.8GHz Cortex A75 QSD 845
....the QSD 850 will use a physically larger size and a bigger TDP budget to hit and maintain 3.0GHz on the same QSD845-based SoC. Which is basically a +15% performance increase in practice. The newly announced QSD 1000 is supposedly the same approach as the QSD 850, but based on a new architecture. Probably built on TSMC's 7nm lithography and using a Highly Customised A75. However, I do think this next-gen SoC will debut on phones before laptops because there's just a larger profit margin in high-end phones. So whatever the "QSD 865" will be in 2019, we can infer the QSD 1000 should be around +15% faster. When I mean "Highly Customised" I don't mean like Qualcomm's light changes to the QSD810, QSD835, QSD845 SoC's to Vanilla "ARM Cortex Ax" processors. I mean like Qualcomm's heavy changes to Cortex A9 to build the Krait-300 line, Cortex A15 to build the Krait-450 chips, and the famous Kryo-100 core of the QSD 820 are customised Cortex A57's.
xXENDER FREAKXx, 02 Jun 2018Still having doubts with SNAPDRAGON powered chipsets on laptops, again. Heard some complaints ... moreI think Qualcomm did quite well with Windows 10. I seen some of the snapdragon 835 powered laptop like Asus Novago, Lenovo Miix 630 and HP Envy X2. They seem capable to run Windows 10 .Pretty much like Microsoft Surface on a budget I guess.
I don't see any value in a Snapdragon in a laptop except for those who needs a constant LTE connection in their laptops.
The SD's graphics is superior but Windows on Arm is still in its infancy. However, AMD is slowly ramping up and a Ryzen mobile APU is best for non discrete graphics
Anonym, 02 Jun 2018Are you really? You seem to forget that Chromebooks are a thing and already feature loads of A... morewhy people keep saying this?
it is not the same!
android based on linux kernel on it's very early days!
it is whole other world today hack even it's userland is not even close to linux which means lot's of diffrence in kernel.
ZolaIII, 02 Jun 2018What ever works on development boards will work & on new SoC and if it's in the laptop for... moreWell, your argument appears to be more based on whatever you have against Windows and Microsoft.
I thought we were arguing about Qualcomm and Intel (chip makers, not OS makers).
The "Windows v. Linux" debate is not relevant in my opinion because the best OS is always the one that suits you better.
SH.T, 02 Jun 2018it would be nearly all apps if not really all apps that run on windows 10. it is the matter OS... moreYou don't get the point.
1. All windows apps and games uses CISC instruction set. Qualcomm's chipsets are primarily used as RISC instruction set which is good for mobile OS such as android. How can you run the windows apps without any conflict with instruction set?
2. From the system requirements itself. All windows apps and games have chosen to use intel and amd products. Even apple uses intel and amd products. Is there a room for a 3rd chipset?
3. How can the qualcomm snapdragon 1000 chipset fight in the ultrabook market with intel and amd if majority of manufacturers use intel or amd? Whose manufacturer would you think that would include an unknown chipset into the world of windows ultrabooks?
Still having doubts with SNAPDRAGON powered chipsets on laptops, again. Heard some complaints last time when Qualcomm introduced themselves powering Windows laptops with SNAPDRAGON 835, because most of the apps in Windows can't work well with the SNAPDRAGON 835, as expected from a smartphone chipset. I don't know about how this will end up, but I just hope that things will go well now
AnonD-481463, 02 Jun 2018I remember having specified "Windows" in my argument ;) Linux is a whole world different from... moreWhat ever works on development boards will work & on new SoC and if it's in the laptop form even better/easier. Windows is something highly overrated, even M$ will gave up upon it in cuple of years, they already earn more on Linux.
i though mi ( http://www.deviceranking.it/phone/12977/xiaomi-mi-8-explorer-edition ) has great specifications but no, now it is not true.
Foxtrot2Novmbr, 02 Jun 2018For those who would get this. Good luck finding a desktop software that would support that chipset!Yeah, people keep talking about cores, speeds, TDPs but no one wonders how optimized the chipset will be when it comes to software and drivers support.
Anonym, 02 Jun 2018Are you really? You seem to forget that Chromebooks are a thing and already feature loads of A... moreYou're assuming there will be a version launched for Chromebooks.
But GSMArena Team told us earlier that Qualcomm is working on SD 850 chipset for Windows computers (see here https://www.gsmarena.com/qualcomm_is_working_on_snapdragon_850_chipset_for_windows_computers-news-31402.php ) which ultimately implies that the 1000 Series will be aimed at Windows computers as well.
AnonD-481463, 02 Jun 2018I remember having specified "Windows" in my argument ;) Linux is a whole world different from... moreAre you really? You seem to forget that Chromebooks are a thing and already feature loads of ARM based CPUs, being key to the argument that both Android and ChromeOS run atop Linux kernel. Knowing this, I'd say its HIGHLY likely there will be a version running Linux (even if in disguise, such as a Chromebook).
ZolaIII, 02 Jun 2018ARM archives an order of magnitude better efficiency compared to the AMD and Intel x86 with a ... moreI remember having specified "Windows" in my argument ;)
Linux is a whole world different from that of Windows.
Besides, I'm pretty sure Qualcomm won't be releasing the 1000 series for ultrabooks that run on Linux (if that even exists for the time being).
I believe that only Apple is capable of competing with Intel Core chips, this not because Apple does magic with processors, just people at Intel are a bit lazy these times to make their chips work faster. Apple A11 Bionic chip was equal with Core i7 7700K in single core score of 4200, while pushing multicore at the score of 10000 with little effort, but, what happen if they work "seriously" on future PC intended chips...
Foxtrot2Novmbr, 02 Jun 2018For those who would get this. Good luck finding a desktop software that would support that chipset!it would be nearly all apps if not really all apps that run on windows 10. it is the matter OS, if it runs windows, windows will do the rest.(may be with some specially made components like its own frameworks and drivers)