Key question for movement of Windows to mobile-based hardware: would the emulator suck? Because if it does, what ARM giveth, Windows could take away. Win 10 is fast on x64. When you try to emulate x64 on ARM, that is where all the performance loss has been noted to happen.
AnonD-481463, 01 Jun 2018No, GSMA.
There won't be a competition (depending on what you call competition).
An arm base... moreARM archives an order of magnitude better efficiency compared to the AMD and Intel x86 with a same performance levels.
Windows isn't working good with ARM thanks to M$ laziness but Linux runs happily.
Adrenos are ahead of even Nv regarding performance per W but its different architecture to begin with & Intel's IGP is nowhere near either of those. Linux Mesa Adreno driver (Freedreno) is one of the most developed open source GPU drivers along with AMD one's while Intel IGP one's are a nightmare.
This market needs more competitors to enhance product development and reduce prices which are exorbitant now. The pace of innovation has been crawling along with small incremental enhancements over a long period of time, no one is making "great leaps forward" in the tech. Cost is an effective barrier to entry in this market but some players could become more aggressive in pricing to drive the big guys to be more price competitive. They all make shedloads of cash which seems like extreme exploitation.
Quite impressive. We already seen Intel running in android phone. Time to see how powerful Qualcomm chipset running in Windows 10. I think it is very capable. Even SD845 phone can be docked and used in pc mode these days - despite still running as android. SD1000 should be more than capable running Windows 10 pc smoothly. Hope no one start comparing it to powerful gaming laptop. Qualcomm is merely aiming for the ultrabook market.
For those who would get this. Good luck finding a desktop software that would support that chipset!
Whoa, snapdragon is really pumped up!
AnonD-594740, 01 Jun 2018More cores basically. Frequency cant scale that much if the architecture dont allow it (see r... moreRyzen is fully scalable and the architecture allows for any frequency. The process node does not allow it, setting the perf/power curve through the roof at 4Ghz. The 14/12nm process as GF is mobile first, aimed for power efficiency and performance at lower clock speeds. The 7nm process should be an improvement in this regard.
Stan, 01 Jun 2018There's nothing "Mechanical" about x86 vs ARM. The main difference is the CPU design, the inst... moreI think what they did this time is take time to make an emulator that will run x86 app. It won't be as efficient but it will give the illusion that you have a capable machine
And I garentee you. You can run Android on with diws with Intel even the Pentium one. But you will not be able to run Android or thing that enable Android like bluestack on qualcomm
AnonD-83364, 01 Jun 2018This chip can also be used in Chromebooks, that not only run Chrome OS, but also run Android a... moreIntel CPUs already run Android.
And the probability of a laptop running Windows on arm to run Android is slim. This is not like windows on x86. They have to make a build for each device. Nobody's gonna do that. And what plathora of Linux run on arm, stop spreading lies. All Linux are made for Intel. Some run on arm. Then again no one cares. Linus users Al usually devs. And they won't want arm machine because in the end. They won't handle virtualization or do compilation AA fast as Intel. Even with core m
Anonymous, 01 Jun 2018Would also like a snapdragon with i5-u TDP, which is 15 watts. Imagine what a beast of an ARM ... moreMore cores basically.
Frequency cant scale that much if the architecture dont allow it (see ryzen for reference).
There won't be a competition (depending on what you call competition).
An arm based CPU might be fast. But catching up with a similar Intel x86 CPU "on Windows" platform will still be a challenge.
It's not always about higher speeds, more cores (threads), higher TDBs etc. ; it's mostly about the optimization.
Intel is the leader on Windows platform (CPU wise), you can can't just ignore that and pretend it's nothing. Incidentally, Intel has a miserable optimization of its chips designed to run on Android. For instance, the ZenFone Zoom runs on a Quad Core Intel Atom CPU @ 2,3 GHz on Android and is still not the fastest android device on the market.
Intel also has the upper hand on the GPU side when it comes to QC v. Intel on windows (drivers).
So, find another title for your write-up. This one does not fit in my opinion.
Stan, 01 Jun 2018There's nothing "Mechanical" about x86 vs ARM. The main difference is the CPU design, the inst... moreARM windows doesn't really work beyond office applications and web browsing. x86 emulation is the answer to getting it working on ARM devices.
q8peace, 01 Jun 2018why no arm cpu tdp 95w no need for battery things can they make it ?Why would you need such a CPU? O_o
This chip can also be used in Chromebooks, that not only run Chrome OS, but also run Android and the 3.7 million available to android now. Not to mention run a plathora of ARM Linux distributions and ARM programs. So it's not just Windows.
Looks like the System wars are heating up. There are rumors of Apple poaching Intel CPU test engineers, in what could prove to be a future MacBook using an in-house designed CPU. I wonder if they'd like the new MacBook to run iOS as well. Given how good the iOS in tablet mode is, I wouldn't be surprised.
Now Qualcomm is targeting Ultrabook market as well, also with an ARM based CPU. I wonder if manufacturers will pick Android, which runs more or less alright in tablet mode, or would wait for Microsoft to release Windows 10 ARM. Afterall, there are rumors of MSFT releasing windows 10 ARM fairly soon.
Love the Community, 01 Jun 2018I meant x86 and the fact that we could use Windows 10 Professional on a Snapdragon Ultrabook w... moreThere's nothing "Mechanical" about x86 vs ARM. The main difference is the CPU design, the instruction set, to support that design, and a program (Windows 10 in this case), which has been compiled to run on a specific instruction set.
Windows 10 by default is compiled for x86 CPUs, but Microsoft has ARM based versions of windows as well. Namely the Windows 10 IOT and Windows 8 ARM. The latter was used in Surface RT and Surface models. I still have a Surface RT at home, with Nvidia Tegra onboard, running Windows 8 ARM.
Now here's the problem, even if say Microsoft was to recompile windows for ARM devices, Crytek would have to recompile Crysis to run on ARM version of windows as well. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to install it on an ARM version of windows.
The same goes for every other app and game out there. This is the primary reason why Windows 8 ARM has failed horribly.
why no arm cpu tdp 95w no need for battery things can they make it ?
Kiyasuriin, 01 Jun 2018For smartphones*I was expecting that too, but they want to compete the Intel for real.
Maybe the 900 series will be the ultra version chipsets (smartphone SoC) later on, somehow. :/