AnonD-594740, 15 Jul 2018"1 A76 + 7 A55 is not guaranteed to perform better then 4+4 A53 in running daily tasks smoothl... moreFor most (65%) tasks people do on an Android device a 1.5GHz Quadcore Cortex A55 can do it rather well. Other times (35%) tasks require something that's better. And something like a 2.0GHz Dualcore Cortex A73 will suffice. And you can make do sufficiently with cheap TSMC 16nm lithography.
What most people fail to realise is that, sure its going to be 40% weaker in synthetic benchmarks, but in practice its only going to be 5-15% slower than something like: 2.0GHz Quadcore A55 + 2.5GHz Quadcore A75 on the expensive Samsung 7nm lithography. And yet, despite the measly 10% performance deficiency, its going to cost about 20% cheaper (or more). That's the route the chip manufacturers in China take such as Allwinner, AMLogic, RockChip, MediaTek, etc etc etc.
And even better is the solution ARM came up with: DynamIQ.
You can use the same 14nm lithography to get a 3.0GHz Solocore Cortex A76 + 2.0GHz Sevencore Cortex A55. And this setup should yield you 50% weaker in synthetic benchmarks, but only around 10-20% slower in practice. Yet its going to cost about 30% cheaper.
Again, to reiterate the aforementioned SoC will be nicely low-cost, great in PRACTICAL tasks for real-world scenarios, but it will suck very bad at SYNTHETIC benchmarks. Therefore a SoC like this is terrible in terms of marketing and selling devices (despite being the most advanced/balanced SoC objectively speaking). So far only Xiaomi is investigating to build such a SoC, but we shall see in the next 6-18 months if any of the OEMs are ballsy enough to ship a smartphone chipset with terrible marketing, great real-world performance, for budget $200 phones.
why android OEM is so complicated? why don't make it as simple as possible?
The Scientist Pigeon, 12 Jul 20184 core is tested and trusted. why not 1+3 in single cluster or 3+5 in 2-Cluster?
1, 2, 4, 8... more"1 A76 + 7 A55 is not guaranteed to perform better then 4+4 A53 in running daily tasks smoothly."
According to ARM itself, yes it is.
One A76 would lead the single core score even further without adding significant more area.
mediatek quad core 64 bit for dual core 1.3ghz with dual core 1.5ghz
AnonD-594740, 12 Jul 2018You can check the list of devices in wikipedia if you dont believe me. https://es.wikipedia.o... moreOkay I admit there were more. But I consider only samsung phones from SERIESES!
AnonD-594740, 12 Jul 2018The 4 cores limitation per cluster is no more, you can have 1+7 if you like.
Dont know if the... more4 core is tested and trusted. why not 1+3 in single cluster or 3+5 in 2-Cluster?
1, 2, 4, 8 in 1-Cluster,
2+2, 2+4, 4+4 in 2-Cluster,
2+4+4 in 3-Cluster
are already tested and are under better optimization for each and every new generation.
Possibility, ability, capability and practicality are 4 different factors which are comparable in mathematics, not daily use or better to say physics.
Driving from possibility to ability need years to reach there, so does more or less to reach other factors.
4 for Snapdragon 805 was well fit.
4+4 for Snapdragon 810 was too tight.
2+4 for Snapdragon 808 was loose.
2+2 for Snapdragon 820/821 was well fit.
4+4 for Snapdragon 835 makes its way to the competition and 845 crowned the multitasking.
850 overclocked for desktop class usage and Snapdragon 1000, which is why 2-Cluster 4+4 Core configuration reaches its highest point.
1 A76 + 7 A55 is not guaranteed to perform better then 4+4 A53 in running daily tasks smoothly.
Fulljack, 12 Jul 2018application are highly unoptimized. until recently we just got the multi-tasking that we shoul... more[TLDR] I don't want a portable workstation in my pocket, I want a casual gaming device that can run any game, play music without stuttering, surf the net, handle a few users, and, of course, making clear, noise-free calls, the last one apparently is still being forgotten by certain manufacturers...
I think phone SoCs should stop somewhere soon. Let's face it, GPUs of yesteryear could push 30fps of most games on hd screens, now they still can on full HD. Graphics should be as good as possible but shouldn't be PC-grade since we're using a much smaller screen.
I would like to see a point where flagships could do all the tasks adequately while costing as much as they did in 2010, around $500.
Always trying to push more transistors into a plate smaller than a person's pupil isn't helping that happen any time soon.
The Scientist Pigeon, 12 Jul 20182010:
Samsung Hummingbird = 1 Cluster - 1 Core - 1GHz
Galaxy S, Wave S8500
Samsung E... moreThe 4 cores limitation per cluster is no more, you can have 1+7 if you like.
Dont know if the upper limit is now 8 though.
Kiyasuriin, 12 Jul 2018Only 3 of them, the S800, S801, and 5420. You can check the list of devices in wikipedia if you dont believe me.
Ahadjisavvas, 12 Jul 2018Anandtech did an indepth analysis of the the 9810 soc and by digging deeper into soc based stu... moreOokay then why not just say M3? Because I know they're not very efficient (very big cores)
ProJames, 12 Jul 2018It's Mongoose. I couldn't find anything about Meerkat+Exynos. Here's the article,it's a pretty good read if you want to take a look at it.
ProJames, 12 Jul 2018It's Mongoose. I couldn't find anything about Meerkat+Exynos. Anandtech did an indepth analysis of the the 9810 soc and by digging deeper into soc based stuff they discovered that the core is nicknamed meerkat in exynos m3. Look for article online you should be able to find it easily.
The Scientist Pigeon, 12 Jul 20182010: Samsung Hummingbird = 1 Cluster - 1 Core - 1GHz Galaxy S, Wave S8500 2013: Samsung E... moreapplication are highly unoptimized. until recently we just got the multi-tasking that we should've 10 years ago. do we need 12 core cpu? sure. in mobile space? no. thanks to dynamiq, each core could talk to each other instead of working independently on each clusters. more core doesn't necessarily help the task being executed run smoothly when the underlying problem was the task itself which doesn't properly utilize multi-threading. oh, I do all in for more cores and all, but that die space better be used for the gpu which are still weak.
xXENDER FREAKXx, 12 Jul 2018There shouldn't be a problem for longevity in modern smartphones, even if the clock speed is r... moreI experienced 810 first hand. It could literally warm a small cup of water. I couldn't understand why sony didn't include a dedicated "cup warmer" app :)
I'm an advocate of full-metal phones because is can dissipate heat better in addition to their durability.
I at least hope Samsung would step up and make a stainless-steel phone instead of glass sandwiches.
Samsung Hummingbird = 1 Cluster - 1 Core - 1GHz
Galaxy S, Wave S8500
Samsung Exynos 5 - 5410 = 2 Cluster - 8 Cores - 1.6GHz
Galaxy S4, Meizu MX3
Samsung Exynos ? - ???? (Would be) 3 Cluster - 8 Cores - 3.0+ GHz
This means something important to consider:
In order not to fall behind other rivals, do something new and future proof.
2010's 1-Cluster SoC started from 1 Core, next was 2 core and final version was 4 Core.
This means 1, 2 or 4 can perform well inside a SoC by Samsung criteria.
2013's 2-Cluster started from 32-bit 4+4 core and moved to 64-bit. configurations were either 4+4 or 4+2 which means 1 Core was neither good nor efficient in order to make something like 4+1 or 2+1.
This rumor about 3-Cluster and 2+2+4 core configuration can be a hint by Samsung's R&D in order to try 12-Core at max in upcoming years to feed more resource hungry hardware, OS and apps.
Possible Core configuration in that matter regarding DynamIQ:
Next up: 4+2+4
Which in this over saturated market, it can stand above other competitors by number, Benchmark scores, but slightly above others in real life usage.
PC's were going down, but some tricks helped them to survive for next 7 years.
If manufacturers are not aware, they must listen to the siren which indicate the 2025 fall of smartphones.
Desktop-Level performance in pocket,
16+GB RAM Support SoC
are good way to extend their success for coming years, but not sufficient to attract customers.
Unification is what Virtualization era need and those manufacturers must do what Google did in 2010. If they follow Microsoft's steps, they would not go any further than the original surface foot steps.
Microsoft found failures and reconstructed its roadmap.
Apple is following with start of app store unification.
Google is under Big names influence in the market, so, what Samsung do, directs Google's Android ecosystem, success or failure will affect the OS directly.
3-Cluster is a good idea but will be better is they do not think that they are the only thinker and others are some illogical people out there.
Maybe some surprise in terms of performance as well as endurance. Will be great.
Ahadjisavvas, 12 Jul 2018The exynos m3 core is nicknamed meerkat hence why he called it that.It's Mongoose. I couldn't find anything about Meerkat+Exynos.
H-1, 12 Jul 2018Poor 810, the go-to whenever a heating example is needed XD Most manufacturers opt for a lo... moreThere shouldn't be a problem for longevity in modern smartphones, even if the clock speed is reaching it's peak. And yeah, feeling bad for the SNAPDRAGON 810? I feel u friend, but since this truth is already stuck in the history of chipsets, it's hard to forget xD