Sunday debate: Are our smartphone processors fast enough? Comments
- Sin
- 3aP
Even today 4 years later processors on smartphones are still not fast enough
Still miles away till we will even get close too good enough
Much More ram & storage is needed also
Like 32gb ram & 2tb SSD storage
10hz processor built-in fans
Much better power efficiency needed also
- Anonymous
- mEA
Trump Fan 1980, 16 Jul 2018 I own a Samsung S9. The gpu constantly sutter's and exhibits slowdowns while playing the game... moreHello. I think that you should research a bit about something called "bottleneck". You will find out that your GPU is actually bottlenecked by your cpu, which also runs at low frequency during gaming to keep the heat low. Also, 257 MHz should give more than decent performance if you play on 1080p ( but now it doesn't matter since you are cpu bottlenecked anyway, so you can play at 1440p ). I have a OnePlus 3 with sd820 and in order to keep the temperature at a maximum of 60°C it stays even at 307 MHz on the cpu and 133 MHz on the GPU. It lags quite a bit but I'm just fine. If it was 1GHz on the cpu i would had great performance in my opinion ( the GPU would also stay on 200 MHz and on 100 % usage ).
- Kangal
- uCX
Zenodroid, 17 Jul 2018So you actually agree with my first comment? That we need computer speeds on the phone? I never replied to your comments, you did to mine. So I'm not sure which comment you mean is it the one about:
"Nah. We need at least 5Ghz CPU and 8GB gpu in the phones! But not AMD. Anything else."
Well, no I do not agree with it.
More frequency does not mean more performance. And a separated GPU does not mean greater stability. What you do not understand is that these are extremely MOBILE chips. There is ALWAYS a compromise. Its no use having a processor like the Exynos 9810 that can clock to 3.0GHz and smoke Apple's A11-Bionic... if the processor gets thermally limited almost instantly. And its pointless to get an external graphics if its going to increase the chipsets' cost from flagship-$35 to a stupidly expensive $80 price.
So I want longer battery life, lower latency, equal cost, and higher performance... but that can come from improvements in lithography, better microarchitecture, or more efficient software.
- AnonD-731363
- SH3
Anonymous, 17 Jul 2018That person referred to a quote wrongly attributed to Bill Gates.
https://www.computerworld... moreBill gates is old man soon will be only in history books.
Sam as Steve or Fredie Mercury Michael Jackson Patrick Swaye Elvis Presley etc.
- Zenodroid
- LgH
Kangal, 17 Jul 2018Useless talking with you, you're not even contributing to the conversation. For all I can tel... moreSo you actually agree with my first comment? That we need computer speeds on the phone?
- Kangal
- uCX
Zenodroid, 16 Jul 2018Useless link, unless you pay. So try again. Not a scam link this time. Useless talking with you, you're not even contributing to the conversation.
For all I can tell, I can post exactly what you want and you will still disregard it because of this big bias you carry around with you.
My advice: open your mind, things are more efficient that way.
- Anonymous
- ije
AnonD-731363, 17 Jul 2018Well 640k of ram is too small i think to run some games.
Wonder if we compare human brain to... moreThat person referred to a quote wrongly attributed to Bill Gates.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/2534312/operating-systems/the--640k--quote-won-t-go-away----but-did-gates-really-say-it-.html
- Denis Thomas
- 0Vf
pelmido, 16 Jul 2018Facebook app lags sometimes on my sd821, I doubt it runs only 2 seconds slower in opening on ... moreI don't use fb app anyway, browser works just fine.
Then it must be your connection, because after snapdragon 800 the differences are minimal in real life usage.
- AnonD-731363
- SH3
Anonymous, 16 Jul 2018Because everything we have now is everything we will ever need.
Remember we will never need... moreWell 640k of ram is too small i think to run some games.
Wonder if we compare human brain to CPU how much GHZ it woould have and storage and Ram because apart from machines human brain always updates and learns by doing.
- Anonymous
- IW@
Anonymous, 16 Jul 2018I mean what a silly question.
Fast for what?
For applications not yet imagined because w... moreThe PC 'died' because most PC buyers bought a PC in the first place for Facebook, Internet and media consumption only. Sure there's some Microsoft Office but that's about it. For the majority, dual core i3 processors were MORE than enough. That's why they never upgraded especially with the advent of fast mobile internet connectivity.
Only the gamers/developers/video editors/content creators needed more power. It is the same with smartphones. Most people really just use them for Facebook and browsing YouTube and reading news and light gaming (COC, mobile legends, minecraft, PVZ, Wordscapes, etc). Even a snapdragon 625 is fast enough for that. Only developers/heavy gamers/content creators need faster speeds.
So are our smartphone processors fast enough? For the 99% of all smartphone users who just use their smartphones for Facebook, Youtube, browsing internet and reading news? YES!!!
Manufacturers should instead focus on battery life/battery research. It's where majority of phones are SERIOUSLY lacking as more and more people spend more time with their phones. What good is a superfast phone processor when it's dead after a few hours of capturing flash photos and videos and after posting and viewing them on Facebook?
- blastertoad
- jIv
Mobile vr eats into that power pretty heftily, and with the upcoming advent of games as service and cloud play games faster modems and processors will be pushed on mobile devices as they become primary devices for the average consumer.
- Anonymous
- swf
AnonD-731363, 16 Jul 2018Present CPU are fast enough to run anything or better to say there is noprogram app or anythin... moreBecause everything we have now is everything we will ever need.
Remember we will never need more than 640k of RAM...
The gall of some people.
- Anonymous
- swf
I mean what a silly question.
Fast for what?
For applications not yet imagined because we didn't have the processing power to even attempt them? Certainly not.
The same debate we had on PC 10 years ago and loom where its sorry a$$ is it today. 5 years of failing sales (no reason to upgrade), no new applications for a solid decade, anything new that can actually be done on computers is either done on xeons or GPUs these days.
No, processing power will never be enough and please do not even start raising such questions. If there is anything that sustains our semblance or better times it the very informational revolution which pretty much rested on the continuous improvements on the processing end of things.
We lose that and we start losing things we may never wanted to lose. It is already a big mistake that PCs are dead to anyone that is not a gamer (no reason to buy a new one for almost half a decade now, probably more), let us not bring this to mobiles as well. The last bastion were IT is ... well **IT**
- RaySeraphim
- xRx
People at GSMArena are defending processor/chipset speed over poorly programmed apps that slows down the phone? Seriously!?!
- AnonD-731363
- SH3
Present CPU are fast enough to run anything or better to say there is noprogram app or anything like that to find fully usable SNAPDRAGON845.
Thus making even powerfull chips is useless.
- Fulljack
- 61}
Zenodroid, 16 Jul 2018Or exynos, SD, kirin and so on. SD 845 is already powering a windows laptop. with huge performance discount that is. no matter how good the optimization to the emulation layer is it will never be as good as true x86 cpue running it. currently the only improvement happening are because qualcomm brute force it way through using a much faster cpu
- Zenodroid
- LgH
Fulljack, 16 Jul 2018mobile as in laptop or smartphone? they've been talking about custom arm core (k12) but it was... moreOr exynos, SD, kirin and so on. SD 845 is already powering a windows laptop.
- Fulljack
- 61}
Zenodroid, 16 Jul 2018You do know that AMD is entering the mobile market, right? And when you experience lack of ful... moremobile as in laptop or smartphone? they've been talking about custom arm core (k12) but it was never released. the only ones are opteron a1100 for server. if you avoid amd products despite their amazing portfolio then I believe Intel's and nvidia's smear campaign are working fine.
- Zenodroid
- LgH
Kangal, 16 Jul 2018Sure, no problem. https://www.statista.com/statistics/309472/global-average-selling-price-sma... moreUseless link, unless you pay. So try again. Not a scam link this time.
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