Sunday debate: Are our smartphone processors fast enough? Comments
- SNA1970
- dZt
We need to focus on battery life and lower watt . The majority of phone users dont play games on it.
People who play Android/iOS games prefer to play them on Tablets.
Apple Figured it out well and made the Tablet chip the fastest one and the phone slower but efficient .
- Anonymous
- 6TT
There is nothing to brag about phones. What is 1k or 2k? Peanuts compared to cars / branded bags / watches and such. Go to a first world country, everyone is running what they want, even midranger phone user might be many times richer then you.
And there's no harm getting the best, as it tends to last the longest, with the best accessory support.
As for speed of processors, i think we need more, we are reaching a threshold where smartphones are starting to be more then just standalone smartphones. We are using it in cars, using it for VR/AR, we are even docking it (like Samsung dex station).
- Anonymous
- IW@
Are smartphone processors fast enough?
For most users? YES!!!
Why? Because most users use their phones for Facebook, Youtube, music, movies, photo/video capture and internet browsing only, plus some non processor demanding games like COC, mobile legends, minecraft, Wordscapes, etc. Very few people actually play demanding processor intensive games like Asphalt, Nova, Dead Trigger, etc. In short, even midrange processors are fast enough for most users...
Anything faster are just BRAGGING RIGHTS - much like the race cars meant for the race tracks. For everything else, a regular sedan (midrange snapdragon processor) will do. Besides, there's no point using a race car in regular city traffic anyway (which is use of Facebook, Youtube, etc.).
Again, unless you play processor intensive games (which very few peoole do), a top of the line processor is overkill and waste of under utilized processor power. Though the bragging rights of a faster processor makes owners of the phones feel good even if all they do on their phones is call, text, watch movies/youtube and post photos on Facebook.
- Saurabh
- 0Tx
It also depends on the rom and UI, sometimes even after having a faster processor, your phone may lag in scrolling the menu or a slight delay in opening the app, and on the other hand sometimes a midrange processor can give a very smooth flagship like performance.
In my case, my one year lg g6 (SD821) is terrible slow seems like SD 450 kinda a processor, While my other 3 months old phone - Mi redmi note 5 pro (sd636) is as fast as any other flagship and redmi phone have 3 times the number of app than my LG.
- Aslipundit
- KAC
CPU performance has been 'good enough' for a few years now. Even a geriatric Snapdragon 600 can still hold its own in 2018. I have an 'old' Optimus G Pro running the Sd 600 with 2 GB RAM, which is perfectly workable. It can run almost anything out there that is not constrained by OS version, including games. Great display compared to modern phones too. I use it as a backup device, although I could get away with it as my main device if i wanted to.
There is no task that a A53 clocked at 1.5 ghz and above cannot do reasonably. Yes, a latest Cortex A75 will open apps and load high bit rate media just that bit faster, but in terms of 'acceptable' cpu performance, a low to mid range chipset can do the job. The Snapdragon 820 and above series are more than good enough for any task out there, including heavy multimedia editing and number crunching.
My main three phones are a Galaxy S9 running the Exynos 9810, LG V20 running the 820 and a Redmi Note 3 pro running the SD 650. I can barely notice the difference between the two year old LG with the current gen Exynos. Things open, run and execute identically, including games. I do feel a diference from the Note 3 pro, which is noticeably (but not unacceptably) slower in many things. Which brings me to my next point.
The Note 3 pro is slower not because of the CPU, but due to mediocre storage quality and RAM. CPU wise a 650 is plenty fast for anything out there, with the two A72 cores. Storage peformance is a big factor governing performance, which is something a majority of users do not consider. A phone with a mid range processor (Say a SD 630) will feel much 'snappier' than a phone with an SD 835 with poor emmc storage with low read and write speeds. Take my word for it. This holds true for laptops and tablets as well. The ones with good quality storage feel the best in terms of user experience.
GPU performance is important for heavy gamers and video editors, but a basic Mali 450MP4 can play most basic games and decode high bitrate content, which is more than enough for most users.
- Jason Melling
- RLq
There is only 1 answer, for some people yes and for some people no. Otherwise the question is meaningless.
- Kiza
- sp}
PiCosm, 15 Jul 2018My Note8 is fast enough. But like on my desktop machines (Mac or PC) Chrome is the bottleneck.... moreProblem with Samsung browser is "just" 50 tabs. :)
- Zenodroid
- LgH
Trump Fan 1980, 16 Jul 2018 Presently, gpu's aren't anywhere near the same clock speed as cpu's. However, I definitely th... morewell, it is the truth. apple and samsung are trying so hard to be each other and success on making ppl to mindless zombies that only buys the brand. and their products are horrible quality. samsung was good from sgs til sgs5. note till note 5. they were unique back then.
- Trump Fan 1980
- kui
Zenodroid, 16 Jul 2018Nah. We need at least 5Ghz CPU and 8GB gpu in the phones! But not AMD. Anything else. Presently, gpu's aren't anywhere near the same clock speed as cpu's. However, I definitely think they should be as you suggest. In other news: ,your comments about "undercover" oem's is not funny. Keep your job: successful stand up comedian work is not in your future.
- Zenodroid
- LgH
Kangal, 16 Jul 2018Are our smartphone processors fast enough? Correct Answer: No. The vast MAJORITY of Androi... moresource for the majority of the lowend soc ?
- Zenodroid
- LgH
89j, 16 Jul 2018For the price, I get my phones no, its slow in 9 gag and not secure, not safe to use. in this ... moredepends on where you are. some phonestores give discounts on new units, by giving them old units. and the old units gets sent to the poor countries.
- pelmido
- 0Cd
Denis Thomas, 16 Jul 2018I see people with flagship phones just for having flagship phones. They have no clue about the... moreFacebook app lags sometimes on my sd821, I doubt it runs only 2 seconds slower in opening on a sd810
- Zenodroid
- LgH
Trump Fan 1980, 16 Jul 2018 I own a Samsung S9. The gpu constantly sutter's and exhibits slowdowns while playing the game... morejust keep buying the undercover apple unit ;) and if you go for apple, you are just buying the undercover samsung ;) disable the 90+ bloatware on your sapple, and you will experience a big boost.
- 89j
- 3b1
For the price, I get my phones no, its slow in 9 gag and not secure, not safe to use. in this times where the unemployment rate is high.
You cant just give all your old phones and get new.
- Trump Fan 1980
- kui
I own a Samsung S9. The gpu constantly sutter's and exhibits slowdowns while playing the game 'Galaga Wars'. I have a SoC app that shows speeds for the cpu and gpu. My gpu usually operates at 257 MHz. That is not enough to keep said game running smoothly. I actually don't care as much as cpu clock speed numbers as much as I care about gpu speeds. I'd prefer SoC's to utilize a 1 gigahertz or higher gpu. In time, I'll have my way :-] .
- Zenodroid
- LgH
Kiyasuriin, 16 Jul 2018Yass!! With dedicated ram for each! 8 GB GPU and 32 GB OF RAM! With scores of Geekbench being ... moresomething like this fake beast :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LJOoWlkX5U
- Kangal
- uCX
Are our smartphone processors fast enough?
Correct Answer: No.
The vast MAJORITY of Android users across the globe are using the Qualcomm Snapdragon 625 SoC (or a similar type). And it is fast for most (65%) daily tasks, but not for the lesser and more complex tasks we face (35%). Let's upgrade all those people to the QSD 660, then sure, its enough for most practical things.
However, let us not forget. We were at a time contemplating if the 500MHz Single-core A11 was fast enough, and most people said "yes". Then it was 1GHz Single-core A8, and people still said "yes". Then it was 1GHz Dualcore A9, people still said "yes". And then it was 1.5GHz Quadcore A9, answer was the same. Then it was 1.5GHz Quadcore A17, still "yes". And another step to 2.5GHz Quadcore A17, still same answer. Then it was 2.0Ghz Quadcore A57-64bit processor, and it was still "yes - fast". We didn't falter. We still pushed forward for 2.0GHz Quadcore A72 and people said "yes its definitely fast enough". And we still went forwards with 2.5GHz Quadcore A73. It still was "yes, very fast we need not more". That didn't stop Silicon Valley to release the Apple A11-Bionic.
...you see the pattern?
We need the nerds, dorks, and enthusiasts to say "No, we have a need, a need for speed". We need them to push the envelope. Eventually what is Super-Fast becomes mainstream commonplace. And long-enough it becomes the low-end. Never slow technological progress unless you have a really really good reason.
TL;DR - The answer is practically "No", and it is theoretically "No".
- Kiyasuriin
- Hxp
Zenodroid, 16 Jul 2018Nah. We need at least 5Ghz CPU and 8GB gpu in the phones! But not AMD. Anything else. Yass!! With dedicated ram for each! 8 GB GPU and 32 GB OF RAM! With scores of Geekbench being 11k Single core and 38k Multi!
- Zenodroid
- LgH
Denis Thomas, 16 Jul 2018I see people with flagship phones just for having flagship phones. They have no clue about the... moreYou use the same apps, yeah. But when you take a lot of pictures and videos, edit them on your phone and want to review them from time to time. Then you will feel the difference, and no its not just a split second in difference. But if you use SD cards, then you will never feel the difference, unless you are using the fast cards that can almost follow the rest of your hardware.
- Zenodroid
- LgH
Nah. We need at least 5Ghz CPU and 8GB gpu in the phones! But not AMD. Anything else.
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