The words "budget" and "iPhone" should not be used in the same sentence unless the words "is not for people on a" is in the middle.
How revolutionary! Now 5.8 - 6.5 inches , well played Apple
Anonymous, 07 Aug 2018budget iphone coff!! what $700 lol, Nope i like my new Android PIE!!!It still a mystery to me how they can sell latest ipad for around $300 but cant do that for their iphone.
How is $700 a budget price. So the $530 oneplus 6 is dirt cheap
budget iphone coff!! what $700 lol, Nope i like my new Android PIE!!!
nik.007, 06 Aug 2018Well I'll try to tackle each point one by one:
1. Technically SD 845 is also a 2017 process... more1) SD845 was indeed announced in December 2017, but not launched until 2018.
2) AnTuTu tests everything, including RAM, storage, etc. We're not talking about those components from synthetic tests, we're talking about the SoC. You can read about the reasons for the Apple SoC superiority here: https://www.androidauthority.com/why-are-apples-chips-faster-than-qualcomms-gary-explains-802738/
3) What you're asking for is dependent on far more factors than the SoC, including animation speed, OS, RAM, storage type, programming differences, etc.
4) That's demonstrably false: https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705?hl=en#pixel_phones
The 2017 Pixel devices loses all guaranteed support, including security patches, at October 2020.
5) The protective glass is sapphire, you can read about it here: https://www.imore.com/yes-iphone-7-lenses-really-are-made-out-sapphire
The other examples you dragged up are not examples of cost cutting. They're examples of optimising a device around its intended uses. Apple has no competition in the iOS ecosystem. They don't have to do the silly spec race that Android manufacturers do.
The TouchID fingerprint reader is, by the way, far cheaper than the new FaceID scanner. So, again, not an example of cost cutting.
6) Apple has made a business out of valuing privacy. They have no business that would benefit from aggregating or using your private information, unlike Google who runs an ad network. Instead, Apple would risk their entire business model AND receive massive European fines if they did.
Google, on the other hand, is primarily running an ad network business. Their goal is to gather as much information about you, your life, your movements, your interests, your connections, etc, as possible.
This isn't about how well each company stores your information. It's WHAT they gather about you, and what they use it for.
Kiyasuriin, 06 Aug 2018Truly well said, and in one of my posts here I did mention I love iOS for that reason. Howeve... moreOh yes... Said with no logical or fact. Only in blind following... So well said..... Not
FinnishInquisition, 06 Aug 2018Non-existent as long as you call a 25 % greater performance for the 2017 A11 "non-existent" wh... moreTruly well said, and in one of my posts here I did mention I love iOS for that reason.
However. I wish Android would enjoy that support too
HgA, 06 Aug 2018Yes, "budget" for rich people.Only people saying it‘s budget is GSMArena. Apple never did a mid range phone. The SE was a smaller 6s, the 5c was a 5 with a new chassis
Jamesschwarz987, 06 Aug 2018Bigger single camera? ...just the lens cover? till the end Apple would never upgra... moreThat is funny, I have an iPhone 5 and an iPhone 7 and my non-tech or camera savvy friends can clearly tell the difference. And with the iPhone 7, Sensor size improved, I think even the iPhone 5s sensor became bigger, but there is no official data so GSMArena spec sheet just copy & paste that 1/3“ size
FinnishInquisition, 06 Aug 2018Non-existent as long as you call a 25 % greater performance for the 2017 A11 "non-existent" wh... moreWell I'll try to tackle each point one by one:
1. Technically SD 845 is also a 2017 processor, because it launched in Dec 2017, just like every flagship SD.
2. If we talk about synthetic performance, SD 845 has an average Antutu score of over 250000, while A11 sits below 200k.
3. If we talk about real life performance, show me one speedtest on the internet where iPhone X beats OP6.
Though I agree iPhone would open PUBG (or for that matter most other games, though some still open faster on Android) for me a humongous 2 seconds faster, all the other apps which you would actually use a lot more during the day, open faster on Android.
Also the UI on almost all Android skins today is buttery smooth, even Samsung's, which used to be the laggiest a few years back.
4. Pixel 2s, launched in 2017, have been promised 3 major Android updates (ie till Android R in 2020) plus another year of security updates, so that puts it at 4 years of official support. Oneplus is giving a third major Android update to 2016's OP3/3T plus future security updates as well. Yesterday an article said that even Samsung is pushing official update to 2014's Note 4. But yeah I don't have an answer for you if you compare support for a 150 dollar phone with a 1000 dollar Apple flagship.
5. You can check Jerry Rig Everything's channel, where he clearly lays bare Apple's false claim of using sapphire on their back camera lens. Also, their claim of using the "strongest glass on any device ever" has been busted by numerous people. So it's not that Apple is only doing cost cutting, they are doing cost cutting while claiming that they are providing expensive materials.
Also, still using 3 gb RAM, poor selfie camera modules, smaller batteries, lower res displays etc is part of cost cutting. The charging cable, if you have used one, is probably the poorest quality cable provided by any brand. Even my 150 dollar phone had a better quality cable, which coincidentally had a 5V/2A charger in the box, while the 1000 dollar phone has a 5V/1.2A charger.
Why did they remove fingerprint reader? Anwer: Cost cutting!
The list goes on and on!
Also, I guess for you, anything that Apple omits is "irrelevant", then good luck paying 1000 bucks for another Apple flagship. It's your money after all.
6. Well, just because Tim Cook explicitly doesn't say "we leak your data", or someone hasn't found out of data leak at Apple, doesn't mean your data at Apple is 100% safe. Did Apple itself accept that they were throttling older phones, before the same was busted by users? NO!
Also, in today's world your data is everywhere. You give your personal contact and other details to literally dozens of corporations. So, you are really naive thinking your data is 100% safe on an iPhone, or any more safer than in an Android.
Geric.770, 06 Aug 2018Well said, Monsieur.Yes competition fan and illogical driven... So well said.
FinnishInquisition, 06 Aug 2018Non-existent as long as you call a 25 % greater performance for the 2017 A11 "non-existent" wh... moreA cpu and gpu also throttles more heavily and is less efficient.
And androids are already more advanced before those updates than the iPhone is after the updates.
Not to mention most of those updates seeming like rushed last second betas full of bugs despite all the extra cash thrown at Apple and claims of optimization. And that have clearly been shown to bog down even slightly older i phones despite the claim of oh we don't need specs and it just works.
Let me guess... Denial, twisting and blaming, followed by excuses.... And go.
Bigger single camera?
...just the lens cover?
till the end Apple would never upgraded their sensor size.
Their camera are just so overrated after all,
so no need to worry for being constant since iPhone 5.
nik.007, 06 Aug 20181. The performance difference between Apple & QC, which used to be quite apparent, is almo... moreNon-existent as long as you call a 25 % greater performance for the 2017 A11 "non-existent" when comparing it to the 2018 Snapdragon 845.
Android also doesn't provide software support for 3-4 years. The longest software support you can get on Android is the Google and Nokia support, which is 2 years of major updates and 3 years of security updates. It's pitiful in comparison to Apple right now. Adding to that, most manufacturers don't support their devices at all. You get what you buy, nothing else.
Now, could you link some sources about Apple cutting corners or using cheaper materials for lenses? Their exorbitant prices for repairs is something we agree on at least, and their odd choice of not including faster chargers, but that's irrelevant to the point being discussed in this thread.
With Apple you buy the hardware AND software, with lengthy support. With Android you buy hardware and become a Google product, where Google takes all your personal and private information for their ad network. Apple may be more expensive, but there's a very good reason for that. You BUY a product, rather than BECOME a product.
Anonymous, 06 Aug 2018Yeah the software support to throttle the phones, the processor+os combo which is proven to be... moreApple throttles phones with bad batteries to prevent sudden shutdowns. Something Android would be wise to add as an option as well.
Apple's chips are also not proven to be slower in speed tests. They're in fact far more capable in terms of raw processing power, and optimised for the ecosystem they're running on. You can read more about the performance of each SoC here: https://www.guidingtech.com/a11-bionic-chip-vs-snapdragon-845-comparison/