Anonymous, 12 Sep 2018Clearly now you are grasping for straws in denial.
My claim was multiple and all generations... morewhen u were saying that mali was almost on par with adreno, and that adreno was only winning because qualcomm's SoC were using more power than Hisilicon's, clearly you were referring to the past 2 years... because before than that the Graphics performance of the top-of-the-line Hisilicon's SoC were on par with Qualcomm/Samsung/Mediatek/Intel midrangers...
It was you who later retracted that and tried to back your statement.
Please don't make confusion... the silicon industry is ever changing, you can only make comparisons between the same generations (like 970 vs 845 vs 9810, 960 vs 835 vs 8895,..., 935 vs 808/810 vs 7420,...).
Anonymous, 12 Sep 2018what are u talking about? we've been telling your for a while now: get ur facts straight!
you... moreClearly now you are grasping for straws in denial.
My claim was multiple and all generations. You couldn't even follow that. By saying you only meant those specific generations means you admit you couldn't properly read and reply to mine. So instead messed up and caused this to yourself.
Anonymous, 12 Sep 2018Your first sentence alone clearly showed you have absolutely no idea what you are talking abou... morewhat are u talking about? we've been telling your for a while now: get ur facts straight!
you are the one who acts ignorant and intollerant, we are the ones who want to help you understand and move forward.
Kirin USED to implement a low core count on its GPU, but I clearly referred my statement to the 2 most recent releases (not counting the upcoming 980), that is 960 and 970.
it's not that hard to find sources for info, wikipedia is a good start, ARM and other vendor's slides are also good, Anandtech and Notebookcheck's reviews are as well, GSMArena's are still quite good (just not as much detailed/professional)... finally if we are talking about core count, and GFLOPS a good place for comparison is https://gflops.surge.sh/
And as you can already see, 970 and 960 don't have such a low core count.
Anonymous, 12 Sep 2018no the kirin GPU's (if we are talking about 960 and 970) don't use a less powerful GPU set up,... moreYour first sentence alone clearly showed you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
The kirin soc used a lower core count of the mali.
We all know this. If you can understand and admit that we can get to the next step. If you just keep replying in denial to concede yourself the know it all then you have lost and there is nothing left I can do. I'm not the Jack aaa whisperer.
Anonymous, 11 Sep 2018The kirin doesn't count considering it purposefully uses a less powerful GPU set up. It is not... moreno the kirin GPU's (if we are talking about 960 and 970) don't use a less powerful GPU set up, just a less efficient one (texture filtering, shaders, ecc).
They pack the maximum amount of the latest mali cores, such a setup, albeit provides a seemingly good enout throughput (GFLOPS), is inherently less efficient than a fine tuned and more advanced GPU (kind of like a single card of the newer generations is generally better than a SLI or Xfire setup from the previous gen).
In the era when Hisilicon made SoC caring less about GPU, and more about the whole, they managed to make some very nice and innovative setups for the time, if you ask me.
They were some of the most innovative, along (but still a step below) with nVidia's Tegra.
Nowadays (in the past-Snapdragon810-era) they are only striving to compete for market shares, the impression they give off is of not caring much about being good at what they make but only a show-off. Hard work doesn't always pays off, and of course we shouldn't forget that in this market is very difficult to be competitive (who has been interested in tech from the 80s till now will know just how many companies have closed down, merged ot been bought out), but nonetheless putting all your effort in what you do will always give you a sense of fullfillment that cheating or a sloppy attitude won't ever award you.
leledumbo, 11 Sep 2018Going back to the point where you think you know about and using my data source:
https://www.... moreThe kirin doesn't count considering it purposefully uses a less powerful GPU set up. It is not a direct competitor.
..and clearly most of the time refers to more than just the one generation that gives you the information you are looking for... such it doesn't. It just more supports you're failed idea.
Clearly I referred to multiple generations of direct competition.
And that is from 2010/2011 until now of comparing exynos and snapdragon variants.
How are you so arrogant and dense???
Anonymous, 10 Sep 2018Yes im anonymous and stated facts about something you don't even know anything about...
And w... moreGoing back to the point where you think you know about and using my data source:
Using the fact that SD835 (Adreno 540) is the direct competitor to Kirin 970 (Mali-G72 MP12) and Exynos 8895 (Mali-G72 MP20):
> And even where adreno was ahead it's still usually not by much.
> And 99% of the time the Qualcomm soc used more power winning or losing benchmark.
Power efficiency of GFXBench: fps per watt (total watt used)
- Adreno 540: 10.26 fps/W (3.79W)
- Kirin 970: 5.94 fps/W (6.33W)
- Exynos 8895: 5.78 fps/W (7.35W)
- Adreno 540: 31.31 fps/W (3.45W)
- Kirin 970: 16.04 fps/W (7.93W)
- Exynos 8895: 20.65 fps/W (5.86W)
50% at the minimum, almost doubled at maximum. Don't skip math classes next time, so you can calculate properly to correctly understand "far"-ness. 50% is "far", almost doubled is "very far", if you want to state "not by far", it has to be in 5-10% range. OK, mr-too-afraid-to-show-who-you-are-because-people-will-know-your-intelligence-level?
leledumbo, 10 Sep 2018No respect to anonymous account who can't give technical source for their opinion.Yes im anonymous and stated facts about something you don't even know anything about...
And when you replied you didn't even know what got were responding and did even respond with the right categories. You went off with the wrong criteria to tell me I need a source......
So im the one in the wrong....
Anonymous, 09 Sep 2018Or what you said has nothing to do with what I said and you need to learn how to read before b... moreNo respect to anonymous account who can't give technical source for their opinion.
Anonymous, 07 Sep 2018Poorly optimized yet are actually quite good... go figure..just to be clear, are you talking solely about performance or also about quality of the rendering (because I don't know if you are aware Mali uses sub-par and outdated algorithms for AA/AS... provided they are not turned off altogether)?
Anonymous, 07 Sep 2018in this comparison there're all the most recent flagship Kirin releases (970, 960, 950), which... morepoorly optimized? in what year are you living in? Sure there is always improvement possible but it must be hard to swallow for you that a Chinese company like Huawei can produce high-quality stuff.
leledumbo, 08 Sep 2018No numbers? OK, I won't argue anymore then. Opiniated will think he's the winner against unbia... moreOr what you said has nothing to do with what I said and you need to learn how to read before being so disrespectful
Anonymous, 07 Sep 2018Learn to readNo numbers? OK, I won't argue anymore then. Opiniated will think he's the winner against unbiased, as always.
Anonymous, 07 Sep 2018That's one soc. We are talking about almost 10 years of generations in comparison and it's not... morein this comparison there're all the most recent flagship Kirin releases (970, 960, 950), which one does not include? 980?? as far as I know we were discussing about the past generations, not doing some speculation about kirin 980 vs Snapdragon 855...
Huawei's chips are downright poorly optimized, if u ask me the best improvements Huawei has made is in their modems.
Please also try not to let your anger out, we are just chatting, there's no need to start a flame war at any given occasion.
Vegetaholic, 07 Sep 2018Sounds like it will be throttled heavily. Not sure if Huaweis optimizations are best in class,... moreThey didn't wipe them last time. Yes graphic had a good lead but they clearly didn't beef up the graphics in the 970 either.