Duel, 23 Oct 2018"American teenagers are still choosing Apple's iPhone over the competition, with 82 percent of... moreWe will see and you have your opinion and I have mine and I said this discussion is over
But I want to say that Apple will suffer for the way they're taking things done
They're waiting when their numbers gets lower and do something and not do something while your being lovable with the people.
Most of the people even Americans where saying that Apple was bullsh..ting US in these 3 phones except for the smartwatch and some said yes for the processor. I saw all that in the youtube. Even they said the press was boring and I as well was watch the press and it was boring
KamAbdi, 22 Oct 2018OK I will check and while I'm checking also you check this who is very excellent article on wh... more"American teenagers are still choosing Apple's iPhone over the competition, with 82 percent of surveyed U.S. teens saying that they own an iPhone, according to Piper Jaffray's latest survey (via Business Insider).
This number has grown steadily from 76 percent in April 2017 to 78 percent in October 2017, and it now appears to have plateaued temporarily in 2018, as 82 percent of teens said they owned an iPhone back in April.
Looking to the future, 86 percent of teens surveyed said that they plan on buying an iPhone as their next smartphone. This is an increase from 84 percent in the spring.
In comparison, 10 percent of the teens said they planned on buying an Android smartphone next, down from 11 percent in the spring. The researchers at Piper Jaffray say that American teens' intent to buy an iPhone is now at the highest they have ever seen. "
doesn't sound like iPhone losing interest
Duel83, 21 Oct 2018"Why Samsung's smartphones are winning in shipments but losing in business"
https://applein... moreOK I will check and while I'm checking also you check this who is very excellent article on why analysis saying iPhone's interest is declining on yearly basis
www . mashable . com / article / iphone - excitement - declining /
Duel83, 21 Oct 2018It does work, i thought you are tech guy and can't even remove spaces? This site doesn't allow... moreIf your talking to me, I tried it and I removed the spaces but the server didn't work and I don't know why but I will try and see different things
Duel83, 21 Oct 2018Again so much talk based on nothing, you can't backup your claims anyway.
Every analyst are... moreDude this doesn't need me to put back up for my claims because this needs to read between the lines and if you want I can give one. There you go
www . businessinsider . com / customers - are - getting - less - excited - for - each - new - generation - of - iphone - citi - 2018 - 10.
Look at the date of this article and what I was saying, connecting the dots and reading between the lines, like predicting how these companies are and the way they're moving so these things doesn't need proof.
I didn't see that report but I know Apple ships like 70 million unit per quarter so this is for their first quarter and this doesn't say what are they going to sell, yes it will sell but not that big sell and if they do, the second quarter will be less likely and that's my prediction. If Apple succeeds on their first quarter and they usually do it could give them some boost in their fiscal year but if don't then that's the part were they fail because they didn't add new things in their phones and for 5 years they didn't.
Normal numbers for the for the users for the iPhone because they like iPhone but does that show which product and if those 70% of iPhone users have X or 8/8+, they won't upgrade.
For samsung it's still pretty high number but there are many companies competing for the Android Ecosystem so it's normal and I know the other OEMs will pressure them.
But the you forgot to add which from Apple will go to Huawei and other OEMs???
No the foldable phone is happening next year and Samsung have confirmed it, my guess for price it will be around $1500 to $2000 and of course people will want it because this is a future of display tech that will change the game in every category of computers and monitors and laptops. I follow a lot of hardware sites and I can predict the next moves of the tech and how it evolves.
I said if because Samsung could change the date of their folable phone announcement but I don't think they will change it, as reported, it will be unveiled on CES 2019 before the S10 on the MWC. For the price, I don't see an issue since today's phones are +$1000 and increasing with the Porsche design of the p20 and mate 20 who starts from $1800 to $2000
Yet your repeating what they're saying and things can change instantly because no one predicts if this successful product could lose like how Apple lost the sales of iPhone X.
Analysis start based on how the companies are doing with their marketing and more not with how they could get through, for example, analysis where saying the X will make big sales so it was impossible to lose and now they predict that the XR will hold the strong sales from the bunch and that makes sense because I was thinking the same since people want cheaper iPhone and it's iPhone no one would complain about why it didn't have 3D apps showing (I forgot what the name was) and now Apple could succeed but it depends on the other phones that came/coming and they way for me looks that Apple will suffer.
BTW, you lost this discussion with me when you contradicted yourself and I'm leaving this discussion because you don't want to open your mind more and accept all the options and what could happen. So it was a pleasure speaking with you and I apologise if I insulted some way or another that made you feel offended, I'm sorry. For what it worth I enjoyed discussing with you :)
Duel83, 21 Oct 2018"Why Samsung's smartphones are winning in shipments but losing in business" https://applein... moreI read the apple insider link with an open mind, it was apple pro-biased heat, and not balaced natural truthful light.
Kiyasuriin, 18 Oct 2018Nope, Didn't understand a word...
Add punctuation please.These sells in topic name are a LIE.
In my shop wasnt more than a 2 people asking for a cases for new Iphones.
So sales of new iphones are really bad.
But what we can expect from a company which have no idea how to care for its customers.
Anonymous, 18 Oct 2018Yeah, not trashing your battery is such a bad thing. And the headphone jack so very useful, it... moreMan jack is very usefull??? This is not 1950-1980 era its future.
No Bob Marley.
jack is trash now.
Duel83, 19 Oct 2018Why so obsessed and insecure?Nope i speak the truth as it is.
To the point,
In the sea of many competitors this is a big edible fish with broken teeths.
KamAbdi, 21 Oct 2018I can see your an Apple fan so that is why you don't want to open your mind.
No they don't h... more"Why Samsung's smartphones are winning in shipments but losing in business"
You should read this, great article with proofs and data what is happening, might open your eyes too to see what's really going on.
KamAbdi, 21 Oct 2018I can see your an Apple fan so that is why you don't want to open your mind.
No they don't h... moreAgain so much talk based on nothing, you can't backup your claims anyway.
Every analyst are saying Apple next year will be bigger than this year.
Also this just came "For Apple's upcoming financial results, reporting on November 1, iPhone shipments are estimated at 47 million, up 1 percent year-on-year, while December quarter shipments will grow to 80 million, up 3 percent on last year. The ASP for the September quarter will be up 24 percent year on year, and up 6 percent in the December quarter."
You should also check this data boygeniusreport . files . wordpress.com/2018/10/iphone-to-android.jpg?quality=98&strip=all&strip=all
It's about what phone current OEM users thinking to buy next. 70% of iPhone users are picking iPhone for their next phone. Same number for Samsung is 53% and 19% of Samsung owners want to switch to iPhone, while same number from iPhone to Samsung is only 4%
Your comments have lot of If and could happen, you are just guessing, for example when you talk about that foldable phone which will be so expensive and we don't even know what it's going to be and does anyone want one.
Everything what i talk about is based on facts or what the trends been many years.
It does work, i thought you are tech guy and can't even remove spaces? This site doesn't allow links so you have to tweak them,
Duel83, 21 Oct 2018Here is some realtime data about iPhone share in China gs . statcounter . com/vendor-market-s... moreThe site you send didn't work.
That's for the new iPhone's first quarter but you will see now and the beginning of the new year what happens.
The excitement was the same for the iPhone X but later it got cancelled so that won't say much
Duel83, 21 Oct 2018"Yes and it harms them but, when they present a free bezel phone with in display fingerprint a... moreI can see your an Apple fan so that is why you don't want to open your mind.
No they don't have with a cheaper price tag and and they can't because this is a sophisticated technology. Yes they will do is later but not now, at least when Samsung shows it up it will.
Huawei will fight now with and later with the mate 20 series but when the S10 happens, it will be a different case because the 2 companies have nice hardware materials and tricks so it could be a tie between then in terms of price.
Dude please wake up because still it looks like you have no idea what I'm talking about.
S10 will have a huge impact and with Samsung's marketing definitly it will have and maybe a huge one globally and in the US. iOS doesn't give the new phones a boost since iPhones gets updated 4 years so people can get the cheaper phones, it's not the necessary for the high end phones. So it's about hardware equipments and so far the iPhones are behind Samsung (if Samsung shows what I was saying with the S10) and Huawei with the mate 20 series and the P30 series could be stronger, who knows.
HAHAHAH Samsung offers things the Chinese still doesn't have one of them is SD card and and new things he is doing, specially the foldable ones, honestly, Samsung will be the only will be reliable with the foldable phones because it took a lot of time to mature it and I think they did it. And if the do the Acoustic Surface Audio, and make the phone bezel free and camera inside the display which is been reported, I don't think so they will go down, because Samsung waiting for their 10 year anniversary honestly.
So yeah Samsung won't go do that easily and you will.
Chinese people love Apple but they're losing so much even if they're in top 5 means that they feel down and are not top 5 and won't come back with their high prices and greed for everything so high and not bundling the fast charger or the dongle or the airpods.
You said it yourself, the Chinese are increasing everywhere so in their country, they will do what Apple and Samsung are doing in hardware and make it cheaper and who would resist that.
I don't see the big picture hahahah. Still your the one contradicting yourself saying Huawei getting bigger and beating Samsung and Apple is getting bigger??? like how Huawei Also wants Apple like they will try to beat them and pressure them. And in that line honestly I say it you lost your discussion with me.
If your saying Samsung will lose, then I'm sorry your deluding yourself, Huawei is getting bigger because they're eat the OEMs shares which will make them bigger but not necessarily Samsung's shares and one place you seen Samsung lose doesn't make the vanish and the same with apple but Apple won't get what they used to get back when they did iPhone 4,4S,5,5S,6,6s,7, and the iPhone 8
You think iOS increases the sales more??? Are you kidding??? Only to those who love iOS and are loyal will get the iPhones, iPads. But the the majority of the people love design and crazy hardware things. Even Huawei beat him to the stylus phone mate 20X. Come ON!!!!!
HAHAHAH who said people don't switch to Android from iOS users. Please don't embarrass yourself with that. The OSes are very matured so both sides, they do switch and see each others hardware not the OS. The hardware is crazy wild that makes so if you say some people love to have the new processor, but other than that no.
Android is much better than iOS and Huawei's Android is based on their EMUI which is exactly looks like Apple or I could say a clone and not only him, but the rest of the Chinese phones except the Oneplus.
Android is much better than iOS who looks cold and has nothing, Android is heavier than iOS and runs faster than him. Also you can change theme, or download launchers and do do crazy things for fun and that's as an interface.
KamAbdi, 21 Oct 2018Your repeating the same thing and you don't want to turn your brain On and open your mind, whi... moreHere is some realtime data about iPhone share in China gs . statcounter . com/vendor-market-share/mobile/china/#daily-20180122-20181020
Look the huge growth after new iPhones came.
KamAbdi, 21 Oct 2018Your repeating the same thing and you don't want to turn your brain On and open your mind, whi... more"Yes and it harms them but, when they present a free bezel phone with in display fingerprint and a sound technology coming out from the display which I saw a prototype of S9 in SID display week and at IFA, Samsung will compete"
When that happens other have that already with cheaper price tag
"Now they will lose the new ones when the S10 comes and clearly a lot of people are waiting for it, even my brother is waiting for it."
No S10 won't have Any impact to iPhone sales, it doesn't run iOS, it's great buy for current Samsung users for sure. It will still propably sell even less than S9. Selling expensive Android phone gets harder and harder because Chinese companies are putting the prices so low and offering great devices for masses with low price. No need to buy phones like galaxies anymore.
"Huawei the number 1 in China who beated Apple and Apple can't even compete there let alone the other Chinese OEMs. "
Apple is doing great in China, only foreign company in top 5 list and completely owning Chinese premium high end markets, again Apple isn't competing where Huawei mostly does.
I see you still can't see the big picture because your view is so narrowed, if we would get back to this subject year later you see Apple and Huawei getting bigger and Samsung losing ground just like they've been doing few years already, S10 won't change that, i've heard that same thing about every Galaxies in recent years how it will turn the direction, haven't happened and won't happen
If Samsung want to turn their downfall only thing what they could do is have their own OS, if they sell more or less same product which every other Chinese companies with lower price tag, Samsung can't compete just like they haven't been able in last few years.
And again Huawei is mostly competing with Samsung, they know they can easily steal their users and potential users but they know very few want to switch OS so it's very hard to get IPhone users to buy Huawei.
Duel83, 20 Oct 2018So much text without saying anything, again facts speak against you
"Huawei is the first th... moreYour repeating the same thing and you don't want to turn your brain On and open your mind, which makes you blind.
Yes and it harms them but, when they present a free bezel phone with in display fingerprint and a sound technology coming out from the display which I saw a prototype of S9 in SID display week and at IFA, Samsung will compete. Even GSMA made an article about the camera becoming under the display.
Your mixing 2 separate things, and OS and a OEM.
Google doesn't care which OEM loses because they own 88% in the world which is the Android and even if Samsung loses, it will lose to Huawei which is an Android provider.
Apple on the the other hand hold a lot of phones, with 15% iOS and if those iPhone sales go down, then OS will fall too. That's they market a lot and pay a lot while others bested them. Their issue was to lend their OS to another companies as well. They're the ones who connected the iPhone to the iOS which is a very stupid idea.
True the Chinese companies effected Samsung and not only Samsung, but effected the whole ecosystem which includes Apple. Apple will get hurt more because 1. Apple is it's own company on everything and don't share. 2. They're not an industrial company or make the hardware except the microLED company they bought.
Because Huawei is directly third company after Apple and sometimes the second and Apple being the third in the last q.
Yes Apple got that, because for the very same reason happened to the iPhone 7 and 7+ sales, due to the wait of the 10th anniversary of Apple the iPhone X, which in it's first q successful, after that it fell and the S8/S8+ getting a lot of sales.
The S9/S9+ didn't have something exciting as the S8/S8+, also it was the same like them.
So tell me which iPhone got that??? The iPhone X or the iPhone 8/8+ for being cheaper??
Look, the quarters are battles but not the war so it means you can lose some and get some but Apple lost the war and the year 2017-2018. Now they will lose the new ones when the S10 comes and clearly a lot of people are waiting for it, even my brother is waiting for it.
Thing is your so blind that you can't even say that or know what harms the Android harms Apple more. Apple doesn't have stable ecosystem because they protect it with paying a lot of money to hold their dear position by benchmarks and everything else. The phones's sales decide if their OS wins or loses, they already put themselves on the edge of the mountain, either they win or lose but it will affect them all.
Cool that Huawei is in EU but Samsung isn't losing, just only you saw this year as Huawei did and add up new things in their phones which made buffer some money but not in next year, because the market changes if Samsung does this move and creations since it is their 10th anniversary so I think it will be big super big that Huawei would copy them.
No not enough facts but some are and what I told you are more stronger facts.
when a company does a product and i mean any company, 50% is what the product has and the other 50% is marketing. Don't underestimate the power of marketing because it's something people go universities and study. So you can make a bullshit product and market it more and it shines very well.
Marketing is not one type way, there are a lot of other ways. You have reviewers, sites, blogs, analysts, companies and many more. So it doesn't have to be ads only. Also there is one more thing, people buy iPhone for just a name, status and it's more popular and their popularity helps them to sell which they have very excellent PR who knows how to handle if bad things happens like the swollen batteries or few issues and they fix them and make the people sell from the mind, like the people are some mindless because Apple is the only company who raises their price and people buy even that crazily and shows the people how stupid they're because technologically it doesn't has a nothing and very complicated system.
Why your contradicting yourself??? Your saying Huawei is targeting Samsung but not Apple??? Huawei is after both of them but Apple is first on their list.
Small sellouts numbers right now doesn't mean that Apple won and Samsung lost which Huawei is effecting them.
Huawei the number 1 in China who beated Apple and Apple can't even compete there let alone the other Chinese OEMs.
KamAbdi, 20 Oct 2018With all respect you don't know anything about Apple nor the technology.
I studied IT and st... moreSo much text without saying anything, again facts speak against you
"Huawei is the first threat to Apple then Samsung, at least Samsung can fight and won't lose since they are industrial and will fight and create things."
Samsung can't fight, their prices are too high and they are losing every day. They use same Android which every hundreds of others Android companies too.
Samsung been losing since Huawei started to get bigger and now there's other Android companies too lowering Samsung sales, iPhone sales haven't affected by that.
Why you think Huawei is biggest threat to Apple when they clearly are after Samsung potential users and users, they know they can't compete with Apple, but they can easily steal Samsung sales just like they've been doing few years now, last q compared year older Samsung lost 10 million sales while iPhone sales stayed very high, again facts talk against you. Apple is surviving from these chinese companies, Samsung is strugling. Apple is safe because they have their unbeatable ecosystem who no-one else can use. We will see many Android companies fighting for leftovers and stealing each other sales.
I live in EU where Huawei became very big, i see it all the time how Samsung is now strugling and losing lot of sales to Huawei which is now the Android brand here. Sametime i see very high interest still for iPhones.
And these are facts
And about marketing, you can only sell your bad product with marketing once, not 11 years a row ;)
Here where i live i have seen zero tv ads for X or XS since their launch, yet every month iPhones are selling very well, sametime i see Note 9 ads all the time and it's selling very badly here. Also i see lot of huawei ads and their phones are selling very well and have stole lot of places from Samsung at best selling phone lists which used to be full of Samsung phones, now top 10 is almost full of iPhone and Huawei phones. So no again huawei is not big threat they don't have iOS.