deeception, 13 Nov 2018Not sure what you mean by "flopping" but the 7nm Kirin chip is pretty much the fastest you can... moreKirin 980 is fast cause the camera doesnÂ’t bush 4K,60fps and 1080P,240fps slow mo and saw in YouTube performance of mate 20 Pro in high intensive gaming like PUBG with ultra resolution and mate 20 Pro perform really bad.
S Yu, 15 Nov 2018By flopping he meant that Huawei boasted that their Kirin 980 surpasses Apple's A12, which cou... moreI think the only part Huawei won over the Bionic A12 is for their NPU performance xD
deeception, 13 Nov 2018Not sure what you mean by "flopping" but the 7nm Kirin chip is pretty much the fastest you can... moreBy flopping he meant that Huawei boasted that their Kirin 980 surpasses Apple's A12, which couldn't be further from the truth. Had they resisted the urge to make empty boasts it could be considered decent, but with those claims out they literally flopped.
Shanti Dope, 11 Nov 2018But in logical standpoint, less silicon means less workload to be powered, and less cause of h... moreIt's the other way around. To achieve the same performance, a wide design operating at a lower frequency is almost always more efficient than a narrow design operating at a higher frequency, like Exynos 9810's G72MP18 vs. Kirin 970's G72MP12.
Mr Magma, 10 Nov 2018Are you still using your old galaxy s4? no i m using on nxt
Not sure what you mean by "flopping" but the 7nm Kirin chip is pretty much the fastest you can get on the Android side for now.
Comparing anything to Apple (A12) is a facetious remark because there is no alternative if you want Android OS.
Shanti Dope, 10 Nov 2018Samsung's Mongoose cores are the only design that could seriously rival Apple's core designs. ... moreHuawei flopped very badly with Kirin 980 claims, this chipset is no there near as remarkable as they claim. A12 destroys it in cpu and abolishes it in gpu compartments.
Shanti Dope, 11 Nov 2018They can lessen their investment in modem designs to add more to core designs, because slight ... moreSD675 uses 2 Kryo 460 Gold (Cortex-A76 derivative) 2.0 GHz cores + 6 Kryo 460 Silver (Cortex-A55 derivative) 1.7 GHz cores https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qualcomm_Snapdragon_systems-on-chip
Shanti Dope, 11 Nov 2018Right. A 5-year old iPhone 5 is still receiving updates from Apple. The iPhone XS series and ... moreProbably 2023, but very few keep their phone for that long. I'd say in 2021, it would be a good idea to trade it in and get like 500 to 600 off the new one that you buy. Thus, the argument could be made that iPhones are worth it
Shanti Dope, 11 Nov 2018I assumed that it must be beyond 15,000 because you said that each Tempest cores are about as ... more"in which I assumed that each of them would score around 1500, and so 4 of them would equate to a multi-score of 6000"
That's not how it works...
You cant add each single score to form the multi. An 845 dont score 2400x4 + 900x4
"Your article also claims that the Mistral cores of the A11 Bionic is more powerful than the Tempest cores of A12 Bionic"
No, it does not say that.
"because even a non-throttling Cortex A53 could open apps faster than the iPhone XS."
I've never seeing anything like that, care to share a link?
Shanti Dope, 11 Nov 2018Okay, so in AnTuTu, the Exynos 9810 falters due to weaker graphics. Still, the Mongoose M3 is ... moreYou showed me an overclocked score to prove...?
And no, at their current state its power consumption is bigger than the performance advantage:
It even run better underclocked around 2.3Ghz!
But It will leave the geekbench scores too low to brag about how close are to Apple' Soc.
Shanti Dope, 11 Nov 2018Let me clear out that I'm not worshipping Samsung or anything here, but it's very clear that t... moreWell Itialian people were speaking of something else.
And i rather trust Italia than Samsung.
Samsung cares only for money but people cares for well working device which dont need to be changed every next year.
Let Me Put It This Way, Samsung Underclocks Their Mongoose Cores Everytime So That They Match Up To Qualcomm's Kryo Cores(It Will Still Happen On M4 But Not Likely For M5) But Gets Better Performance Scores & Real Life Efficiency Too.. BTW, Samsung Isn't The King For Speedtests As You Know Because Of Their UIs But Hope One UI Changes The Game For Them..
dude111, 11 Nov 2018Read the article.
The tempest are comparable to the A73 on integer, and curious enough, the... moreI assumed that it must be beyond 15,000 because you said that each Tempest cores are about as powerful as a Cortex A73 @2.1GHz, in which I assumed that each of them would score around 1500, and so 4 of them would equate to a multi-score of 6000, and adding up to the 2 Vortex cores would equate to 15,000 or even more.
I guess I missed the math, but I certainly still expected more than 12,000.
Going back to the main point, Apple might be underclocking the Tempest cores by a huge margin to save more energy, because even a non-throttling Cortex A53 could open apps faster than the iPhone XS.
This must explain the efficiency upgrade of the A12 Bionic (other than the 7nm node) compared to the A11 Bionic.
Your article also claims that the Mistral cores of the A11 Bionic is more powerful than the Tempest cores of A12 Bionic, so it means that Apple really did underclock the small cores this year to improve on efficiency.
That's all I can say, and at least we can say that Apple did an incredible job with their chipsets.
dude111, 11 Nov 2018Just one benchmark where the deficit is 10%?
The M3 had been proved to be a somewhat-bad de... moreOkay, so in AnTuTu, the Exynos 9810 falters due to weaker graphics. Still, the Mongoose M3 is clearly ahead of any Android CPU core designs.
Exynos 9810 CPU paired with Mali-G76 MP20 would make this chipset faster and better than Snapdragon 845 and Kirin 980.
"Consumes a lot of power" no they actually don't. It's a bit more power hungry, but the performance advantage is very significant.
Take a look at this: https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/07/15/exynos-9810-crosses-4000-points-on-geekbenchs-single-core-test/
If we're talking to CPU standpoint, this is very impressive, especially for Android platform which has always trailed behind to even Apple's A9 until last year.
Shanti Dope, 11 Nov 2018"Nearly" so I suppose it's about a little faster than Cortex A57, which is still considered as... moreRead the article.
The tempest are comparable to the A73 on integer, and curious enough, the A12 scores as you said: 15,000 on integer multi, although it seems like you are just adding up each score individually. Keep in mind that every time you add a core, the score does not increase linearly as CPU does not have good parallelism...
Second, tempest cores consume around 500mW (at 1.6Ghz), and powering up two, three or all four at the same time does not increase consume linearly either. Its the same with others cores.
Dont know what is the power consumption for the A55, last time i read about little cores, the A53@1.3Ghz on a 20nm process consumed 270mW.
Shanti Dope, 11 Nov 2018It depends on how you understand it, but the Cortex A76 scores around 3500 while Mongoose M3 (... moreJust one benchmark where the deficit is 10%?
The M3 had been proved to be a somewhat-bad design as it consumes a lot of power with no much benefit.
Anonymous, 10 Nov 2018but qualcom makes best chipsets maybe their cpu is not as fast but cpu is not the only thing i... moreI understand that CPU isn't the only thing that matters, but Qualcomm is seriously trailing behind in this department in years. And it's affecting others, as Samsung is underclocking their superior Mongoose M3 cores on the Exynos 9810 in order to match the performance of the Kryo 385 Gold on the SD845. If this wasn't the case, then we might be having a worthy rival to Apple's CPU by this time already.
Adreno is about their only saving grace, and even then, Apple has got them beaten in this aspect.
XS Max is leading the bunch, with 90FPS in some tests against 60FPS (at best) of Adreno 630.
5G modems are about their main game next year, and I hope they don't fail to deliver in that aspect.
O S, 10 Nov 2018You are correct about Qualcomm not doing enough in regards to CPU design, the next Qualcomm Kr... moreThey can lessen their investment in modem designs to add more to core designs, because slight modification isn't going to cut it for them.
Their new SD675 is employing 4 (I think) Cortex A76 cores, which makes me believe that they have something even better for the SD8150.
Qualcomm can do what Samsung did this year, who started everything from scratch and got successful for it.
Exynos 9810 already beats the A10 Fusion in CPU, while Kirin 980 barely matches it with pure Cortex A76 design.