Kangal, 03 Dec 2018Not quite. In practice, the Apple chips are still way out front. The QSD 845 cannot actuall... moreOkay, I just need to thank you, because you said that stuff in an extremely easy way to understand. Another thing, however, that I must ask is: is there any way for Qualcomm, HiSilicon, or Samsung to make a chip that is more powerful?
Walter C. Dornez, 30 Nov 2018So basically, Apple Sheeps essentially brag about the potential, but not the actual performanceNot quite.
In practice, the Apple chips are still way out front. The QSD 845 cannot actually beat the Apple A10-Fusion, I mean it wins in 4G, AI, GPU, RAM.... but when it comes to actual computing processing its still lagging. Do NOT underestimate the importance of single-threaded performance EVER.
The Exynos 9810 almost beats the Apple A10-Fusion, but it takes a long-time (respectively) to ramp up its M3 cores and when it does ramp up it throttles almost immediately, so the Apple A10-Fusion maintains its lead and eventually pulls ahead.
Yes, its true that Apple chips (A10, A11, A12) throttle.... but its a calculated throttle, and is overblown by some people. It is not dissimilar to the throttling on QSD 845 chipsets, but its nothing like the throttling we saw on the QSD 810 and Exynos 9810.
And you can forget about other chipset makers like MediaTek (X-discontinued, P-series), RockChip, AMLogic, Allwinner, etc etc.
The chips that do beat the 2016 Apple A10-Fusion are the 2019 Exynos 9820, 2018 Kirin 980, and 2019 Snapdragon 8150. Yet, there's still the 2017 Apple A11-Bionic to consider and the current 2018 Apple A12-Bionic too.
So why does Apple chipsets win?
They are larger, so more silicon/transistor density is one. Secondly they have massive cache which costs a lot of money (think double a snapdragon cost). Thirdly they really build cutting-edge cpu designs (actually higher IPC). Fourthly, the hardware and software have a cohesion to it (think drivers, schedulers, kernel, ROM).
....and they even get bonus points because the Operating System is better optimised and the Computer Code runs semi-natively, which is a lot faster than even the latest Android's Java-VM solution.
In theory, its easier to make an Android App and even recompile the App so you can port it to the Windows10 store, or Xbox Marketplace, or PSN, or Linux distros, or even the MacOS. However, I've realised that the iOS SDK is so well fleshed-out its actually easier to understand (and Swift is quite basic to know), and its great to write. And honestly, probably better to save your assets, and re-write the App separately for MacOS, Windows universal programs, PSN. However, its a PITA to rewrite it to a Linux distro or a Windows 7 program.
Anonymous, 01 Dec 2018it MAY be that the apple chips are slightly more powerful, but since we cannot test them on an... moreI mean, if we really get down to it, Android is worth it for the fun I guess, whereas Apple is worth it because of the simple and supported, not to mention the resale value
Walter C. Dornez, 30 Nov 2018So basically, Apple Sheeps essentially brag about the potential, but not the actual performanceit MAY be that the apple chips are slightly more powerful, but since we cannot test them on anything else than IOS this can never be100% proven. iOS IS the better OS(more efficient, closer to the hardware, low-level).. so unless you can pack iOS on a samsung s9+ , a one plus 6t or even a xiaomi pocophone f1, people should stop comparing their performances. Is useless..
Iphones ARE (due to ios) max. 15%-20% faster than the competition..but they cost 100% more .so it's still a bad deal.
Fulljack, 30 Nov 2018there's a limit on how much a battery can deliver a sustained power. with also being thermally... moreSo basically, Apple Sheeps essentially brag about the potential, but not the actual performance
Kiyasuriin, 29 Nov 2018Why though???Because their current naming scheme is far better than the 8000s one
Walter C. Dornez, 30 Nov 2018Ah, so what you're saying is that they aren't utilizing the full power of the chip. That's a s... morethere's a limit on how much a battery can deliver a sustained power. with also being thermally constrained by passive cooling, an apple a12 sustained performance were on par with snapdragon 845.
Fulljack, 29 Nov 2018no, it's the hardware. until recently, their die size are way bigger than competitors. multipl... moreAh, so what you're saying is that they aren't utilizing the full power of the chip. That's a shame. They should make chips for their own computers and laptops
Walter C. Dornez, 29 Nov 2018I think the secret is with the software. They have a very specific version to make since it's ... moreno, it's the hardware. until recently, their die size are way bigger than competitors. multiple die shit from various sources has confirm this. not to mention their 4g chip isn't incorporated into the soc itself, unlike others. so yeah, apple being closely worked behind their hardware and software help too, but it is mainly their massive core that could pull peak performance for a sub-second that help them achieve such tremendous score on geekbench. try real world and the difference are negligible.
six_tymes, 29 Nov 2018true and I agree, but the largest battery drain is just about to begin, and that's with 5G mod... moreYeah, that's been my assumption. Don't think 5G will even be a consideration for me until the 2nd or 3rd round of modem designs.
Geric.770, 29 Nov 2018Yeah. Just like Apple hiding the magic behind Apple chips.I think the secret is with the software. They have a very specific version to make since it's an extremely specific software
If the 8180 name for a windows version of the chipset is true, that would probably suggest that they won't be called that.
Qualcomm would do better in clearly separating the two, to not cause confusion. The Windows chipset would probably run hotter and require more power, since it will be in larger devices that can supply more power and cool more efficiently so the chip itself would be fast. But running Windows, it will most likely benchmark lower, at least lower than one should expect it to, if it manages to stay ahead of the chipset used in Android phones.
using digits in the naming is a good way to go about it. But it would make sense if they feel 3 isn't enough, if they can for example include the AI, 5G, and Image Processor in there, so it would be possible to tell by digits, what it can and can't. The problem is that to get it all in there, it would have to be a 5 digit name, to also say what series it belongs to, and what iteration in that series, and then it will only be valid for 10 iterations, so perhaps a 6 digit name them. Or they could replace the iteration with a letter.
If its be my CPU i would name it Dragonite.
And for a GPU Dragonrider.
travis999, 29 Nov 2018 Don't care what it's called, it's all hype and bs anyway, the only bit of interest t is QC ar... moretrue and I agree, but the largest battery drain is just about to begin, and that's with 5G modems, no matter who makes the modem. But i'm sure you already knew that anyway
Geric.770, 29 Nov 2018I wish the custom processors (Kirin from Huawei, Exynos from Samsung, and Mediatek) use Adreno... moreNever going to happen. Qualcomm is super tight leashed on that treasure. And the only reason why Qualcomm is good to consider.