ZolaIII, 10 Dec 2018Thanks for showing us that you don't know anything about internal combustion engine's either. ... moreI'm a scientific engineer by trade, this stuff is just my hobby.
I personally have a diesel truck and a petrol sedan, and I do maintenance on both vehicles.
Though I must admit that I also take public transportation.
I think that whole paragraph went over your head. For many years, we had increasing regulations on petrol-powered gas, where diesel trucks got an exemption. This caused companies to invest R&D into their engine systems, and resorted in higher power, lower fuel consumption, lower emissions, and higher responsiveness from the power plant. It wasn't simply a "make engine better", no it is a SYSTEM, and it was improved gradually over time using different technological aspects. However, what I said was that, these technological improvements didn't become a car-only feature. No they eventually trickled up to workhorses/trucks. And now, since these trucks no longer get the emission exemptions of years past, they get as much (actually more) attention.
So your narrative about the latest Snapdragon 855/8CX getting specialised hardware-acceleration (ie a separate/specialised processor) beating the likes of Intel/AMD is fundamentally flawed. Because in the technological sector, when one company has that much of an advantage over another, it forces the latter to adapt and catch up. Or at the latest it causes them to sign an agreement to license the technology (just like in the automotive industry/analogy).
Besides, there is ZERO mention about the Snapdragon 855/8CX transcoding 8K/60Hz videos at 10-bit anywhere. I have no idea where you brought this information from. And those Nvidia GPU's are much much more powerful than you believe they are, you seriously underestimated them. Although I must break it down, transcoding isn't as merely as demanding as you make it out to be. In fact, Intel's own puny iGPU's (Iris/UHD) can do it at a "whopping" 4K/60Hz videos at 10-bits even using hardware acceleration... you know the chips that are in DIRECT competition to these ARMbooks. Here, have a source:
ZolaIII, 08 Dec 2018In the real world 9 of 10 devices you use run on Linux. Your router that you use with your PC ... moreYour example is wrong, routers generally use their own firmware without an os.
Kangal, 09 Dec 2018I remember hearing the same arguments between diesel trucks vs petrol cars. Petrol automobiles... moreThanks for showing us that you don't know anything about internal combustion engine's either. Disel motor's do sipp a bit less fuel & do give more torque but are also lot bigger and cost more. Turbine & electronics added lately don't pay nor play nice with added costs nor upkeep prices. Analogue of diesel motor's to X86 is wrong from the bigging because X86 is much less efficient on the other hand analogue to you with 90's diesel somehow stands.
OwnFix3, 07 Dec 2018Well, I multitask frequently and never ever did I witness anything that holds your statement t... moreThen you do simple things, and you're not a power user and ipad is a good fit for you. That doesn't change anything I've said?
Why shouldn't they move to ARM when it's so much more efficient than x86 seems to have any chance of being? As well as closing in heavily with regards to power? x86 have stagnated, quite severly. At least Intel has. AMD was never really the efficient one, just bang per buck, but seems like they might get ahead these days and keep evolving x86, but the steps ARM takes yearly are much bigger.
Interestingly, a lot of laptop users like me doens't necessarily requires the higher performance than mobile phone, so I view x2 performance might be good enough to me and my wife as well. We have two laptops and the reason we're mostly using them is they have larger screen than mobile phones.
ZolaIII, 08 Dec 2018Yes 18W for a Y chip that Intel advertise with an 7W DTP & which is two tires under perfor... moreI remember hearing the same arguments between diesel trucks vs petrol cars. Petrol automobiles were showing good performance metrics because of innovations supplementing the engine/system. However, what transpired simply is that diesel trucks then picked up these too (eg Turbo-diesel), and maintained their lead.
I feel this analogy/history fits, because x86 systems feel like trucks...powerful, dependable, used for work tasks. Whereas ARM is suitable for the regular joe.
You mustn't be too hasty to dismiss the likes of IPC and top performance. AMD did this mistake with the Bulldozer architecture, and it cost them 10-years of insignificance (plus almost declaring bankruptcy a few times).
Duck of death, 08 Dec 2018The usual deflecting point. In the real world most people don't even have electricity. So why ... moreTheir is no Windows on the smartphones. They are all Unix like & there's more phone's than PC's.
Will it be faster than Tianhe 2???
I really dont think so.
Thus the discussion is closed and i am lost interest having this one.
Even Asus Predator X21 is a lot faster notebook.
ZolaIII, 08 Dec 2018In the real world 9 of 10 devices you use run on Linux. Your router that you use with your PC ... moreThe usual deflecting point. In the real world most people don't even have electricity. So why are we here at gsmarena?
We're obviously talking about PC's here and in that real world Linux has been stuck around the 1% mark ever since the first year of the linux in the mid-90's.
You also keep referring to 90's type talking points about CISC vs RISC. There is no CISC vs RISC any more. processors aren't CPU's any more.
Duck of death, 08 Dec 2018We've heard that for as long as we've heard "THIS is the year of the Linux!". Real world vs i... moreIn the real world 9 of 10 devices you use run on Linux. Your router that you use with your PC for instance is on Linux, same goes for all smart to not so smart things suraunding you & all of them employ RISC general purpose core's. Car you drive has numerous RISC cores that all work on ROSC or Linux & it works. Your PC that is declared CISC has more RISC than CISC core's. Even all the services that you use on your PC are running in the claud background on Linux. Linux never made as typical user desktop but it made it everywhere else. Why? Must be something with "typical user". It's time to wake up & start seeing the real world around you as it is.
Kangal, 07 Dec 2018Yes, and no. The actual Wattage can be much smaller than your quoted figures, and it can be h... moreYes 18W for a Y chip that Intel advertise with an 7W DTP & which is two tires under performance wise. The future of computing & personal computing lies in special purposes & general purpose accelerators much more than general purpose CPU core's and in that aspect S8CX is light years ahead traditional X86 systems so for instance you can capture or transcode an 8K HEVC 10 P60 video in real time with only a fraction of power on S8CX while while you need a serious workstation with cuple Xeons and cuple Nv flag GPU's to do the same job on X86 side & it's still very buggy. That is just one example, truth is that S8CX is a highly advanced SoC with lot of aspects (DSP, IPS, cellular modem, Adreno GPU, new fast WiFi...) that are far ahead from traditional laptop/notebook component integration. Windows ain't ready but Linux certainly is.
CISC VS RISC, 07 Dec 2018While the actual performance will varied, i can confidently say that the ARM architecture is r... moreWe've heard that for as long as we've heard "THIS is the year of the Linux!".
Real world vs imagination. Not the same thing.
Jon.SWE, 07 Dec 2018It isn't possible. Apple chipsets are only found in iOS devices, where they run an OS heavily... moreWell actually OSx is much slower than both Linux and Windows slower even when compared to other BSD contraparts, I don't see any reason why it would be different with iOS. If you take a good optimized Android as Pixels or One + things change drastically, if you take mooders community (costume ROM's) gap becomes even bigger.
Kibaikasu, 07 Dec 2018Soooo how will it compare with Intel/AMD processors for gaming? Can it even be overclocked??? ... moreLike a shit...
It will run quite nicely native apps (there are even less than there was windows phone apps... that is almost nothing), but everything else is run as emulator mode and will be really slow...
Soooo how will it compare with Intel/AMD processors for gaming? Can it even be overclocked??? My gaming PC is dying to know...
Marco M, 07 Dec 2018ios is very limited for productive work and mulit tasking. There is no escaping that.
iPad ... moreWell, I multitask frequently and never ever did I witness anything that holds your statement true.
And what do you mean by Apple holding back? The fact that they are tying their own processors with their OS makes the whole optimization so fluid. I don't think they would implement to move onto ARM.
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2018Intel I5 series ??? Apple A12x are rival to Intel I7 series what a wasted and by the Time Q3 2... moreAvailable to purchase where exactly? show me a link of a device having a chipset from 2019.
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2018The question is, how much does that chip cost? How much will the laptop cost? Probably more expensive than current 850 ones. Even so, the gains from this are likely to net you excellent performance and efficiency, maybe under 1k
OwnFix3, 07 Dec 2018Toy OS? Like seriously? Don't be quick with fancy words.Quick?, iOS tablets have been around for years, and even the Pro is basically a toy except for those who likes to draw with a stylus (and itÂ’s not even the best device to do that). They are support devices at best.
Anonymous, 07 Dec 2018I want an 8CX vs A12X comparison !!It isn't possible.
Apple chipsets are only found in iOS devices, where they run an OS heavily optimized for the hardware. So we will never know what the comparable performance is for an Apple CPU. We can get figures for benchmarks on that platform, but it doesn't tell us about the performance of the chipset, just the combination of OS and Chipset, while Qualcomm chipsets run on Windows or Android both much less optimized for that hardware, always dragging down the performance.
What that means is that you can only look at the performance and see what type of performance you can expect from that platform. If iOS is fine for ones needs, then in most cases Apple will offer more performance than one would get on Android, Windows. If one want to know the actual performance of the chipset, there is no way to tell. And if the platform one is going to run is Windows or Android, benchmarks for Apple CPUs running iOS, is of no importance.