AD-LB, 19 May 2019They can still take a lot of space, just like any other app or game. The difference is that t... moreWell dunno what to say.
Anonymous, 27 Apr 2019Every app having their own prison cell(sandbox) is great for user's privacy.We had it before anyway. If you don't grant the permission, the app can't write to the storage and leave traces.
The difference now is that it's harder to leave traces after removal.
Apps can still reach media files using the same permission (which got restricted to such files).
It has nothing to do with privacy. Just less clutter after removal of apps.
And more annoyance to the users who really want to let legitimate apps reach files on the OS, as now apps will need to use the ugly,confusing and inefficient SAF API to get access to the file system.
AnonD-731363, 27 Apr 2019I am not sure.
All was about allocating space.
And apps like Fakebook, Messenger and many ... moreThey can still take a lot of space, just like any other app or game.
The difference is that there is supposed to be much less junk files (traces) after removal of apps. But even then it's still possible.
Google wants the filesystem and expandable storage dead. They were quite honest about that in the past, at least internally. It competes with Google's collecting your detailed personal information when it's uploaded to them and showing paid ads when you're getting that data back. A phone with a new 400 or 1000 GB microSD card doesn't ever need cloud storage. The easy way to kill big storage is to do what Apple does - prevent file transfer utilities from working.
Google and Apple partially won the war on the headphone jack (so they can watch Bluetooth traffic more often) but I hope Google completely fails here.
When is Google going release that realtime embedded vos alternative system, they were developing a few years back.
Maybe this extra sand boxing is meant to make it easier to sandbox aneroid apps in a replacement OS.
GApps leak most data, 27 Apr 2019Does this sandbox keep out Google app to access our data? Lol!
jay, 27 Apr 2019sounds nice in theory, but causes problems in the real world. Notice that most computer OS don... more"sounds nice in theory, but causes problems in the real world. Notice that most computer OS don't enforce that across the board."
You got to know what you are doing, and everybody has to cooperate (meaning, don't act untrustworthy). External file system operations presented to the app by the operating system, allows the users to command and restrict the process, by any operation outside of the sandbox of the app being verified by explicit permission from the user through the gui. As all data and operations on a normal program operates in the programs space, or space of the operating systems or other services, there is very little need to ask the user for permission for non illicit programs. As I have written to android, a policy of not asking for unneeded permissions, and continued execution without permission being granted, and retiring permissions into an easily accessible list (for users this change when they change their minds) otherwise being banned from the store, would tie things up nicely. Now, there is motivation to explicitly comply by app developers, a s little hassle to the users.
However, people often just roll something out based on a concept, but not worked out for efficiency and effectiveness. Or so I've learned when advising firms and government. It's rather like describing a wheel and government puts four sides on it to whack it together. I live near an new expensive overpass network that instead of replacing their design with what I suggested, they managed to replace it with something even worse than the original, and now people want to reroute the national highway they will have to do it again, probably to something like my original suggestion (which preferenced the majority traffic flow while protecting the large scale luxury apartments view). They also took my suggestion for service road and stuff that up putting in an unnecessary part of service road under a second expensive overpass increasing it's complexity (I kid you not) making the service road wind complexly through the suburb to come out some distance from the highway, and eliminating an much cheaper on off ramp which could have replaced the service road (and using on and off further up and a under pass, replacing the more expensive and useless pedestrian sky bridge) at great cost, I don't know how many tens of millions extra down this is already, even 100 million by the way they charge, and definitely if you want to rectify it. I'm not even going to get into the extra $14 million to downgrade the good hospital car park design compared to the next bigger city, at the whim of a previous high ranking leader I know about (wasn't involved but good work, and I have had dealings with the person involved, and let's just leave it at that). That's the regional public service for you. But, if you think your average consumer internet/computer services company doesn't just stuff things up as well, sadly they do, because it is really a embedded engineering programming design problem, and they are not the people doing the design. Morons have been. So, just because people don't make things work properly, like sandboxing, doesn't mean it can't be made to.
Anonymous, 27 Apr 2019Soon iOS will stand for freedom, and Android stand for jail.For android maybe. For iOS never. Apple won't let you do everything you want.
If scoped storage doesn't come with permissions for file explorers to go around everywhere it will become as useless as the iPhones
Hello Life, 27 Apr 2019So android is becoming more like ios... Restrictions upon restrictions, for people's safety...... moreThis new security feature has been used by Microsoft for years, the reason why Nokia chose Microsoft Windows (now dead) over Android
Here is a post from 2014....yes 5 years ago
"You Don't need anti-virus for Windows Phone. The Windows Phone operating system of your Lumia can only be changed by over-the-air updates from Mircrosoft which come from secure servers direct to your phone or during a repair process. There is no way that code from any other source can get into the phone's core operating system. Furthermore, any app that you install has it's own secure area of memory where it and its data are stored. This "sandboxed" memory cannot be accessed by any other apps, and apps also cannot make changes to the OS, so your Lumia device is well protected against the threat of viruses."
My pay grade does not go that high, it is I believe addressing monthly security patches from the other end.
I really don't know if Apple if it utilised sandbox maybe for another non virus reason.
Anonymous, 27 Apr 2019DON'T make it like iOS! Damn!What?
When was iOS this way? it is much like Qube OS!
GApps leak most data, 27 Apr 2019Does this sandbox keep out Google app to access our data? of course not.
They they're tried to keep our info from other 3rd party app.
Not from them
AD-LB, 27 Apr 2019It has nothing to do with what you wrote.
Facebook and every other app can still take a lot o... moreI am not sure.
All was about allocating space.
And apps like Fakebook, Messenger and many else took a lot more than its healthy for a phone.
Anonymous, 27 Apr 2019Yeah finally google done this, I hate facebook cuz it spams my storage so I deleted it,just br... moreI am still use it and makes a fun of people which post dumb things.
AD-LB, 27 Apr 2019Sadly this is just delaying of the problem. They should let users and developers still use ap... moreMoving from file centric to app centric.
Soon iOS will stand for freedom, and Android stand for jail.
Anonymous, 27 Apr 2019DON'T make it like iOS! Damn!My thoughts exactly. Because of "safety" reasons, android users are slowly turned into iOS sheeps with these restrictions.
We can forget about the open-source part of android.
For regular users this won't be a problem, heck, they won't even notice it, not to mention understand it. But for power users this is a big issue.
Sadly this is just delaying of the problem.
They should let users and developers still use apps as before, when the app is really trusted.
There is no reason that a user won't be able to use a file manager as before, or a special media-creation app, or an Office-like app.
Google actually replaces this way the standard "File" API from Java, which tons of libraries depend on, with their own slow, restricted API, which has a confusing and ugly UX.
We already see many issues when using Android Q with this "feature", including on Google's own apps.
Please consider starring this on the issue tracker:
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/128591846
AnonD-731363, 27 Apr 2019Finaly no facebook which eats 5GB of internal storage and messenger which eats another 2 and half. It has nothing to do with what you wrote.
Facebook and every other app can still take a lot of space.
It's just more sandboxed, so that upon removal there won't be any traces of the app. That's assuming the app didn't use a different approach to handle files, of course.
Kingslayer, 27 Apr 2019I see nothing I really want from Q. Pie is still my favorite Android version ever. That's why ... moreBut why? I'm using Pie too and it's the worst one in years. They've ruined the design, added lots of unnecessary restrictions like blocking call recording... I can't see a single reason to live it. If you want to stop updating the obvious choice is to stay with Oreo.
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