Nokia has only just started on Windows phones they are hardly going to be at the top in terms of sales after 2 devices
Fongy, 24 Jan 2012As far as I can see there appears to be only one fanboy here (or rather troll)...(!) I thin... morethe customization is the main reason android is going to fail because of the fragmentation it has caused ... how long has it been since the release of the ICS and how many phones have been updated ? customer satisfaction and loyalty are taking great hits by OEM's inability to provide updates and phones becoming obsolete in no time .
KC, 24 Jan 2012I think your analysis of where Windows Phone is likely to sit in the over all scheme of things... morewell the thing is 20% of the future market is going to be as big as (or even bigger) than the 40% of smart phone market nokia used to have because it has more than doubled since then
Crikey! Quite a few responses... here are my comments!
@anonymous "you're saying majority of users care about powerful specs.."
Yes and no... If we're talking flagships then there's always going to be a of bragging rights re: specs, whether it's screen size, resolution, amount of cores... (although tbh you'd have to be quite nerdy to start the conversation "my phone is better than your phone because...") BUT the main point about something like quadcore (which I personally think is too quick coming around - as we only had dual core last year..) is that a) technology should advance whether we need it or not.. hopefully it'll lead to something WOW that we didn't think was possible with phones b) I think ICS will benefit from quadcore - my GS2 is very fast and smooth - but still not PERFECT - I want a phone that I can throw everything including the kitchen sink and it doesn't break a sweat - I think we're a long way from there yet c) apple is synonymous with simplicity and OS experience like you say, but because it's very controlled and limited it can get away with lower specs, which they don't need to talk about - whereas I think with Android the OS experience IS linked with the tech because it's so powerful and so flexible it needs extra... Lastly I'd say that quadcore is meant to be more battery efficient than dual - if that's true, then bring it on!
@Kurotsuki "most Android devices didn't get updates.."
That's partly true - the earlier devices didn't (HTC Hero I'm looking at you) but I think nowadays manufacturers have realised how important it is to update their phones... and if I'm not mistaken, isn't ICS attempting to allow far easier updates and to stop the software gap? It'll take time but I think once we get to Jellybean this fragmentation will be a thing of the past. True Froyo devices were left behind, but they're a good couple of years old now so hopefully people will have upgraded by now...
@Santanu Dev "and you say Symbian is dead..?"
I think Symbian as a leading platform is dead. I believe Nokia are still going to use some form of it for their cheap phones (3rd world phones, etc.) You say it yourself "people started using alternatives" - and why is that? Because of how un-intuitive and slow Symbian is / was. People wanted MORE people wanted BETTER - it may still lead in the numbers game - but as a top-level platform in the top-level smartphone industry which is booming - it's nowhere to be seen and may well become the standard for entry-level phones... so I guess it depends what you mean by 'symbian rules' - if you're talking about basic phones, maybe.
Android is great for young tech savvy people many whom seemingly take mobiles very seriously according to comments.
However, it takes a lot of tweaking and energy to make it work how you want and you need to have enough skills to troubleshoot all the problems.
Because of this I believe lot of people and companies that are currently in the Android camp will move on to iPhone and WP7. It will take time though for people to learn. I think this and next year will be most important to see the direction.
I believe Nokia played their cards well.
Fongy, 24 Jan 2012I agree up to a point - no OS is 'invulnerable'.. BUT Ask yourself why people moved away... morefor this reason you said the 2 last smartphones of mine were samsung galaxy s1 and s2. up to them i had nokia,including nokia n8-my last nokia. but now i used nokia n9 and lumia 800 for a few days and windows mango is very pleasant to me. android is very complicated and i become tired of it. with lumia 900 i am ready to turn back at nokia. sicerelly at sgs2 i do not like back cover ,video quality and photo quality indoor at all. nokia n8 was making better videos in 720 than sgs2 in 1080. believe me
I hope Nokia would obtain the lion share of thr WP7 market by 2013. I can't stand the subtle cutbacks made by other OEMs. Yes, I'm looking at you HTC... And also Samsung.
Fongy, 24 Jan 2012As far as I can see there appears to be only one fanboy here (or rather troll)...(!)
I thin... moreYeah ... and the manufacturer didn't stop at hardware customization. They also customize the OS it self (mostly the UI). At first, this looks appealing. Until updates going faster and faster where suddenly the device being left behind by new devices. Where most of the Android devices didn't get major updates TWICE. Most of the eclair generation didn't get gingerbread. And I wonder if most of froyo generation will get ICS or not (When I said most ... it means most ... for every kind of froyo devices).
And in Developer side, the various hardware variation means more variation to test on. And all the hard work, sometimes didn't earn enough payback. Which drive the evil developers resort to spreading malware to the market.
Fongy, 24 Jan 2012As far as I can see there appears to be only one fanboy here (or rather troll)...(!) I thin... moreSo let me get this straight. You're saying that the majority of the users out there (who are no doubt non tech-savvy) cares about some ultra-powerful specs like quad-cores and such, even though it's something they'll never ever see throughout the usage? Here's a point, specs have become nothing more than marketing ammo by manufacturers. I'd bet a million that the iPhone 4 would please more people than a smartphone that tries to distinguish itself through 'specs', which btw barely anyone would give a shit once they're using the phone. The OS experience matters for the users, leave the technicalities to the devs.
Fongy, 24 Jan 2012I agree up to a point - no OS is 'invulnerable'..
Ask yourself why people moved away... moreOKay.. 2011's result....
And you said Symbian is dead???
People not really moved out of Symbian...
In 2007 the number of Smartphone sales were 122 million, in 2008 it was 139 million(Android birth)...
In 2009 , 172 million,
in 2010, it was 296 million and in 2011 it was 468 million.....
So, people started to use other alternatives like Apple and Android and their share rose... but Symbian did not loose ground.....
Corporations panicked, jumped up and down, wrote memos and people are running wild......
Fongy, 24 Jan 2012I agree up to a point - no OS is 'invulnerable'..
Ask yourself why people moved away... moreThis is the main reason why people moved away from Symbian.
doctor Mengele, 24 Jan 2012android fans. do not forget that symbian seemed to be undestroyable a few years ago. os come a... moreI agree up to a point - no OS is 'invulnerable'..
Ask yourself why people moved away from Symbian? It wasn't anything to do with handset design or construction or customer service... (the N8 was a fab looking piece of kit - but doomed to fail which it did) it was primarily because Symbian didn't evolve fast enough... it was, and still is, 'clunky', 'slow', 'un-intuitive' and very much a last-gen OS...
The main difference between Symbian and Android is that Android is updating and changing all the time - ICS is a million miles away from Donut or Eclair...and that's in the space of just a few years..Symbian on the other hand stagnated for almost a decade and that is why Nokia failed - it didn't have the innovation or ability to change its operating system...
If people were addicted to Nokia as a brand or manufacturer - the company wouldn't have almost collapsed as millions upon millions moved away from them. Why did people do this? Because at the end of the day it's not about brand loyalty (and all manufacturer fanboys should listen up) it's about customer demand / wants / experience. And if Nokia no longer provides what people want - why stay loyal when there are dozens of manufacturers all vying to get your money and give you the best experience ever...
Anon, 24 Jan 2012LMFAO... 20% - you fanboys have no friggin idea how fast android's market share is about to fa... moreAs far as I can see there appears to be only one fanboy here (or rather troll)...(!)
I think 20% is 'realistic' for an OS that at the moment is probably 1-2 years behind the competition... I'd say it's at the same stage as iOS 3 release was... which equates to Eclair perhaps?
Of that 20% - and depending on how other manufacturers want to get into Winmo - I suspect the vast majority will be Nokia..
Nokia's main problem will be if someone like Sammy get a foothold with a Winmo equivalent of their Galaxy range... And that's likely to happen as soon as M$ release their daft tech restrictions...
The problem with Winmo is it isn't synonymous with anything... iOS means simplicity, Android means very high tech / customisation.. Winmo - well, it's really going against iOS, but is severely lagging behind... Android isn't going to go anywhere, because it's always going to be cutting edge and doesn't have pointless restrictions like screen resolution, no external or usb memory, limits on RAM or processor restrictions, etc. etc.
Manufacturers are able to really stamp their mark on the tech... something that cannot be said for Winmo... Apart from the actual case design - you always know that the innards are always going to be the 'mid-range' same... and who wants to fork out good money on an average by every meaning of the word, phone?
aaptk, 24 Jan 2012how is 45% over half?45% is for second generation phones, for all (1st + 2nd gen), HTC has 55% share, which is over half.
Ofcourse, HTC HD7 is the most popular, only because all microsoft employees have that phone, and they get it for free from microsoft.
Android may seem to be strongest but in reality has one of the lowest loyalty and satisfaction ratings. WP7 will pose a big threat of they don't get their act together.