Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019Hmm... this is interesting. Do you have a source on Apple collecting browsing data? I'm very c... moreNot relevant to the topic at hand, but whilst browsing through old apple articles this picture, by apple themselves showed up. Read the last text, it's technically speaking a instruction to kill :p
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019Hmm... this is interesting. Do you have a source on Apple collecting browsing data? I'm very c... moreIn the first link offered, but it''s a picture so no translation through google translate, or any other online translator unless you find one with built in OCR tool.
Marco M, 19 Jun 2019You don't decide what the discussion here is about, a discussion is at last two-way it's not a... moreHmm... this is interesting. Do you have a source on Apple collecting browsing data? I'm very curious on that.
And sorry, what I meant to say was that "that was the topic I was talking about, referring to, and nothing else". I don't want to mix two different topics and treat it as a single one. (online/offline behaviour and user monitoring vs. payment details entered in the App Store - these are two, very different topics)
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019That would mean rooting your device, right? Don't you lose your warranty for that?
Also, if... moreNo, and no, and no and no.
If you know nothing about android then why bother trolling about it?
Yes, there are manufacturers that add text about rooting and/or unlocking bootloader and warranty, but no warranty can be weaker than decided in consumer laws, hence rooting is 100 % legal and does not void warranty, at least in Norway and likely all of Europe, I can't speak for America though, consumer rights suck there.
In China phones come without google play store and any other google apps, same as Huawei phones will do worldwide in not too long unless the situation changes, and perhaps even regardless if it does. Much like that, a lot of custom ROMs are based on AOSP - which can be 100% free from google apps and services and it under continuous development and updates.
Updating is a non-issue unless one uses a mediatek-based device.
Using third party app stores, browser, map/gps app, e-mail and so on is fully possible, even on a google android device and android is open for that kind of stuff, unlike ios and appstore. Even using third party borwsers on ios doesn't help as they are essentially just skins on top of apples WebKit.
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019I've read the document written in English, but I can't make out what the Norwegian website is ... moreYou don't decide what the discussion here is about, a discussion is at last two-way it's not a monologue. And the problem with apple is that they are reluctant to share what they use data collected from browsing etc for. We just know they collect it.
Someone here did request their data from apple, but I don't recall their name and link to the story.
Marco M, 19 Jun 2019Actually you can use Android without google services, pretty much all of China does it. Talk a... moreThat would mean rooting your device, right? Don't you lose your warranty for that?
Also, if you root your device, do you still get the latest android version and security updates?
Doesn't rooting compromise your device security more, which is anyway compromised because android is not a secure OS?
Also, where will you get your apps from, if you root your device and you don't have access to the Play Store anymore? I know there are alternative stores available, but they are less regulated and have less apps + more malware.
As far as I know, you can't use the Play Store if your devices doesn't have google services installed, thus requires you to allow them to track your online and offline behaviour. Or have things changed in the past couple of years and you can use the Play Store with rooted, non-google-tied devices?
Marco M, 19 Jun 2019On users of Mac, iphone etc with apple ID they collect a lot of personal information including... moreI've read the document written in English, but I can't make out what the Norwegian website is saying as translating doesn't work on that page.
But based on the English document, I can see this relates to the App Store policies, where payments are made, and thus personal details are needed.
I didn't see any mention of online browsing, searches, content consumption, and online behaviour, email scanning, messages scanning, listening in on conversations, etc. It seems it only applies to what happens in the App Store.
The discussion here was about Google (and Facebook) monitoring your online and offline behaviour, what you watch, what you listen to, who you talk to, what you talk about, who you text and what you type, your emails, your location and your purchases, your preferences, your political views, and so on.
There is a big difference between that extended and intrusive user monitoring, and storing your payment info in the App Store in order to make legal purchases.
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019You can choose to use your iPhone without using any google services.
Apple gets money from ... moreActually you can use Android without google services, pretty much all of China does it. Talk about ignorance.
But you cannot escape Apple's data collection using an iphone, you can only try and convince yourself that it doesn't take place, even though it's no secret that it does. It's publicly available knowledge, the only thing we don't know is the full extent, only what apple has shared and hence the concern from at least the Norwegian CA.
Marco M, 19 Jun 2019Apple does not sell ads, sure, but they still profit from letting others do so even through th... moreYou can choose to use your iPhone without using any google services.
Apple gets money from google for setting the default search engine in Safari to google search. Google search, which is what the masses of people who don't understand technology and google, use anyway. So Apple is getting money for free.
However, there is no Apple app having google services and/or google tracking integrated in it.
Google collects data through their services and products. If you don't use anything coming from google and facebook, or any other "free" apps paid for with ads, you are fine.
You can't escape google if you use android.
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019But they don't, it's a fact. As they don't sell ads, they would just be bleeding money by crea... moreOn users of Mac, iphone etc with apple ID they collect a lot of personal information including name, address, e-mail address and phone number, device/unit identifier, IP address, loaction and credit card information.
Even if you're not an apple user with an Apple ID, apple still track you even someone that does have this share anything with you, including name, address, e-mail address and phone number.
Above is the personal information they gather, and then there's the non-presonal stuff, which is a long list and I'm tired of translating :-)
Apple is not big on sharing what they do with cookies etc, but luckily GDPR has limited them somewhat.
The conclusion here in Norway is that, not surprisingly, apple has a job to do. Microsoft and Google have published in much greater detail how they collect and use their users data.
Here is a letter sent in March from The Norwegian Consumer Authority (CA) to Apple
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019But they don't, it's a fact. As they don't sell ads, they would just be bleeding money by crea... moreApple does not sell ads, sure, but they still profit from letting others do so even through their platform and products.
Apple has benefited hugely from doing business with the biggest privacy offenders in the tech sector. It's not for nothing that google paid apple 9 billion USD for being their defautl search engine in Safari. Google utilizes the data, and both google and apple makes tonnes of money from it. Apple is just as dirty as anyone else.
Pretty much any free app, be it facebook, snapchat, insta and so on, profit from the information they gather on ios and android users alike, and they pay their app store tax in return.
Marco M, 19 Jun 2019You and apple are not the same. Apple has profiles, whether you like it or not.But they don't, it's a fact. As they don't sell ads, they would just be bleeding money by creating user profiles, maintaining and updating databases, and paying data scientists and using machine learning to control the flow of such information.
Anonymous, 18 Jun 2019Actually I work in an industry where I have access to a million something people's records, ha... moreYou and apple are not the same. Apple has profiles, whether you like it or not.
Kriegsherr, 18 Jun 2019Just American companies?Chinese are doing the same sh*t. Both are dangerous for us.There has been no confirmation of any kind that Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo, Oneplus or even Huawei, despite the immense investigation, has been spying through their devices or software. The Americans on the other hand has been caught.
Marco M, 18 Jun 2019If you care about privacy then stay away from smartphones, google, microsoft, amazon, netflix ... moreJust American companies?Chinese are doing the same sh*t. Both are dangerous for us.
GAMIR_SFM, 18 Jun 2019You say is premium because is Apple and Apple for you is premium lol.Not just for him. Fir everyone Apple is a premium brand.