Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019Wait... what? To improve security, they use __GOOGLE__ services?
This means that with certa... morefirst read clearly it says its with Google Finland and under Europe laws with GPDR compliant.
For Nokia finland is there home.
NidoFortified, 20 Jun 2019I got a question, what if Google ends up in the same fate as Huawei? BANNED, what would happen?Who would ban Google and why? Chinese are notorious tech stealers.
Dr. Chillo, 20 Jun 2019How about NOT sending any data from consumer's phone to ANYONE or ANY SERVER?Yeah! No backing up important documents for anyone! Every cellphone user should have their own data archiving equipment on hand and the knowledge to effectively manage it in order to keep their files safe!
I got a question, what if Google ends up in the same fate as Huawei? BANNED, what would happen?
How about NOT sending any data from consumer's phone to ANYONE or ANY SERVER?
Ohh data reactors!! If they explode, they will pol2 the lake and everything in the country with personal data of all of us!
Fish, 19 Jun 2019That ''data profiles'' you say are NOT sold to anyone. In fact google uses those profiles to s... moreGoogle is the most fined company in the world for a reason. They are the no.1 culprit in violating privacy laws followed by other Silicon Valley Giants.
poor me, I got profiled by google / nokia / facebook/ etc and i'm targeted with advertising, snif... snif... do you have, at least, some traces of personality? do you buy blindly what you are offered or what you really want or need? why do you create accounts with them? if you do, why do you share info? location? birthdate? personal data? relationships? pictures with names, locations and time stamps? aso, aso.... if you place a box with all your personal documents in a public place or square, what do you expect to happen?
Fish, 19 Jun 2019That ''data profiles'' you say are NOT sold to anyone. In fact google uses those profiles to s... moreThey don't need to sell your digital persona, they just use it to generate money from it. Also, there is a difference between your personal/user data and a digital persona. Even if you choose to delete your personal data (raw data collected about you), the digital persona is an interpretation of that data and is never removed from google's servers.
Now, what digital personas are used for at google, include:
- serve you ads based on your preferences (simple process, i.e. you have a dog, they will show you ads for dog food/toys/accessories/etc.)
- add machine learning to generate statistics which are used to sell more precisely targeted ads (say you shop at stores X and Y during 9am to 5pm. Google knows that this means you must work nearby, and since that is a big business district near the city centre, you annual personal income (based on statistics in that area) is most likely in the medium to high range. So you will be targeted with ads for more premium/expensive products. Also, based on the stores you visit, more assumptions can be made (again from statistics) about your lifestyle, healthy/unhealthy eating habits, etc. which generate more precisely targeted ads.
- on top of machine learning, they add AI on top of all your personal data and general statistics and create a digital, choice-making version of you. Again, using statistics about the population closest resembling your lifestyle, customer habits, content-watching habits, email scanning, messages scanning, listening on your verbal conversations, they can predict which choices you are most likely to make if you are shown ads A and B, then shown video (youtube) content and suggestions D and E, show you search results F, G, H on top of other search results.
The last point is the one that's actually affecting, influencing, and damaging people's lives. By knowing what triggers individuals to click certain ads, videos, search results, and so on, Google has the ability to target people in such a way that they click, view, listen, and read the content they want to sell ads for.
The issue is that if, say corporation X wants to get more people to buy their products and they are willing to pay Google big dollars to help with it, Google, through machine learning and AI, knows how to persuade individuals instead of people at group level or demographic level, in order to click the ads and/or buy said products.
Another issue with this is for political reasons - as through all this data on what triggers specific individuals to do certain things, Google can target them with specific articles, information, and video/audio content to trigger them to consume more of the political content which generates the most income for Google from political parties and other organizations. Thus, even if something is a lie and is a twisted version of the truth, Google has the means to bias people into thinking it's the real truth.
Imagine doing a google search on a certain subject and 90% of the search results you get are biased towards a certain political party/politician/company/product, and all reviews, news, blogs and stories you get in the first 10 result pages are all about the same view on the matter. This biases people into taking that as the truth, and whoever pays more, gets more people believing them, following them, buying their products, even if it's not the truth they're getting or the best products.
The same system can be used to turn people against company X, or political party B, or politician C, etc.
To put it simply, Google controls the flow of information you get delivered to you online, and has the power to make you think certain things, buy certain products, love certain politicians, hate others, and so on.
This is not a real example, but the way it works: you have a dog. Google knows this. Corporation X or political party A, even though they are shady and sell bad stuff or have a bad hidden agenda, want to get more customers/followers. You will get content saying that corporation X donates to animal charities. You will get content saying that political party A wants to generate laws for free healthcare for animals and to stop hunting and animal cruelty worldwide, even though they know they don't have the means to do any of that. And because of this content, you will be tempted and most likely to consume this content, form opinions, and start buying products from company X, or start following political party A.
Google keeps you ill-informed, while pretending to offer you the best information. Instead, they offer you the information which you are most likely to consume, from whoever pays them more.
sam, 19 Jun 2019"I have nothing to hide." is one of the most stupid interpretations of the already bad situati... moreThat ''data profiles'' you say are NOT sold to anyone. In fact google uses those profiles to show relevant ads to you. I may sound like a person working for google but please don't make assumptions on your on. They clearly say on their website that we DONT sell data to anyone but it is processed to provide better services. Which services you may ask? for example I search for a store on Maps, and I go there, it will ask me how was your experience which is clearly to improve other user's experience.
Wait... what? To improve security, they use __GOOGLE__ services?
This means that with certainty, whatever data is for Nokia only, is now freely accessible by Google and U.S. government. It makes no sense to do this.
dimz, 19 Jun 2019Isn't that stuff just statistics and usage patterns though? Like, not actually taking a look a... moreNo. Snowden once said that NSA staff even looks at pictures/ videos for entertainment and all, which was what trigerred him in the first place to go rogue.
They do connect everything they know to the original profile they can spot.
You can of course, save a lot of traffic by disabling stuff and rooting and removing stuff. It definitely helps. But I'm not sure how much.
Because a part of Android OS is closed source for "competitive reasons"... so we can't be sure.
Plus, since 99.99% users will never do the above, USA is hardly affected.
Isn't that stuff just statistics and usage patterns though? Like, not actually taking a look at your content and messages? Yes, on one hand it's a way to profile you, on the other it helps improve certain aspects of the software and fix bugs.
As far as I'm aware the feature can be disabled and if you're uncertain, you can either root your device and install a firewall or use a local vpn-based firewall and block those services.
First of all sending to Google servers to protect user data ?? This must be a joke. Sending data to most notorious data collection business just invalids the entire argument..
It must be " selling users data to Google for free cloud storage for HDM "
Anonymous, 19 Jun 2019For crying out that's what they already said in the article. To also improve user experience a... more"I have nothing to hide." is one of the most stupid interpretations of the already bad situation.
Your data is used to create profiles, create a virtual personality of yours, and it is being sold and sent to advertisement agencies.. In the grey internet, your data is probably on sale. Companies sometimes goof up and keep your data in plain text, or so. Sony even kept passwords like this. Just because you're lax.
One day your online life will be hacked.
Plus, all these options you've enabled are destroying our health due to excessive radiation from all these data transfers in the BG. Its like, you're paying money for their spying.
I know it happens anyways, but keeping it in control would be awesome.
Not to mention, cancelling any chances of yours of activism against government or capitalism, ever in life.