Adul Al Salami Kebab, 27 Jul 2019Not sure 2EEMC2 means it has 2-cores it should have 4 minimum to be a competitive chip... (6 t... moreActually, G52 2EEMC2 has 8 x 2 x 2 = 32 ALU while G72 MP3 has 4 x 3 x 3 = 36 ALU, so slightly lower raw performance.
Adul Al Salami Kebab, 27 Jul 2019Not sure 2EEMC2 means it has 2-cores it should have 4 minimum to be a competitive chip... (6 t... moreI could be wrong but I believe thats the naming convention that most companies use when describing Mali GPU specs.
For e.g the Kirin 810 has the Mali G52 MP6 which is 6 cores
Then Kirin 980 has the Mali G76 MP10 which has 10 cores
And the Exynos 9820 has the Mali G76 MP12 which has 12 cores.
However the G52 seems to be a pretty decent chip as in the preliminary benchmarks the G52 MP6 seems to be better than the SD 730 GPU which is quite a feat.
So a G52 MP2 might still be competitive against the older G72 MP3 found on the Helio P60
BrendonF, 02 Jul 2019Sorry I had made a mistake. The Helio P60 has the G73 mp3. The MP after the chip name means th... moreNot sure 2EEMC2 means it has 2-cores it should have 4 minimum to be a competitive chip... (6 to match the G73 MP3 tough)
NoNickname, 26 Jun 2019How do you know that the GPU will be 2 cores only?Sorry I had made a mistake. The Helio P60 has the G73 mp3. The MP after the chip name means the number of cores. So the Helio P60 with a G73 mp3 has 3 cores while the P65 has the G52 mp2 which means 2 cores.
To give you some perspective the Kirin 980 has a G76 MP10 which means it has 10 cores !
Qwerty2019, 26 Jun 2019I agree with the GPU of P65 on par with Adreno 509/510, but strongly disagree with the CPU bei... moreAgreed on your CPU performance argument, but do keep in mind that some aspects might vary the final performance of particular components of the SoC, be it the CPU, GPU or others.
Nominal CPU performance may be slightly faster than SDM710 to slightly slower than SDM670 in my opinion.
But remember the US$200 Realme 3 Pro using the SDM710 offered CPU performance that more like a 660 than a 710? Market segmentation is strongly playing in this regard though, but one remain clear that not all SoCs are created equal, even if they're shared the same hardware, clock speeds etc.
Kangal, 26 Jun 2019You guys are correct.
This new Helio P65 chipset is actually a downgrade from the Helio P60... moreCPU designs from Mediatek were often ahead competitors...
Some exemples :
- octo cortex A7 on mt6592. Qualcomm critisized...then make SD615, an octo A53 that was a pure sh.t compare to mt6752...you've got a funny video of HTC 820 released in 2 versions (SD615 and mt6752). Mt6752 destroyed SD615.
- tri cluster with 2+4+4 on Helio X20...stable in 20nm (despite rumors spread without any test). It's strange that you ask for 1+7 and criticize Mediatek's CPU when they were pioneers of that kind of CPU
P60 with A73 running at 2.0 is as fast as SD660 running at 2.2ghz...multicore capabilities are better too.
About P65, it's a cheap mid...I think cheaper than P60.
Maybe close to SD632.
The goal is to use Sony IMX586 with the full support of 48MP and a good AI.
On a 200Â€ device, OEM won't use UFS, it's clever to remove support to save costs.
If you take SD660 or even SD710, both can't Handle 48MP with full support (no ZSD, no noise reduction).
Quad bayer reduce definition to 12MP so 16+16 dual camera is enough (P60 was 20+16)
I think Oppo and Vivo will release cheap photophones...fast, but with limited 3D capabilities (only G52, lower memory bandwidth).
Kangal, 26 Jun 2019You guys are correct.
This new Helio P65 chipset is actually a downgrade from the Helio P60... moreHmmm...
In my opinion, this soc is an answer to manufacturers' request.
Make a cheap soc with :
- full 48MP support as we see Sony IMX586 everywhere and as SD660/710 or Helio P60 can't support full features (no ZSD or noise reduction) over 25MP (on SD660) or 32MP
- improved AI for photo features such as night mode...
Other parts have costs reductions.
With this soc, it may be possible to get good photos on cheap devices (150-200Â€).
That's what non-geek expect.
At these price, for exemple, manufacturers won't use UFS storage...feature removed!
You guys are correct.
This new Helio P65 chipset is actually a downgrade from the Helio P60.
It doesn't have dual-channel memory or UFS 2.0 storage, both things that also affect performance. As pointed out, the GPU is downgraded going from the Mali G72 to the Mali G52. And there's a loss of two Big Cores, going from the 4+4 layout to the 2+6 layout.
This chipset will win in efficiency, and some single-threaded benchmarks. But overall it is a downgrade over the older Helio P60. It seems quite similar (on-paper) to the Kirin 710 and the QSD 670.... so expect performance range to be around slightly-below-QSD 636, up to slightly-above-QSD 660. However, its definitely losing to the QSD 675, 710, 730, 820, 821 and Kirin 810.
The only thing better than this would be to use a future 1+7 setup with an overclocked Cortex A78 and seven underclocked Cortex A58 on a Samsung 5nm lithography, that could maintain performance whilst stretching efficiency far. But that's all speculation and hypotheticals at this point, and I don't have much faith in MediaTek's designs than its larger competitors.
TenMoon, 26 Jun 2019Expect CPU performance of the SDM660 with the charm of SDM636.
Since the G52's website ment... moreI agree with the GPU of P65 on par with Adreno 509/510, but strongly disagree with the CPU being on par with SD660.
Both P65 & P90 are using 2x Cortex A75, which means CPU-wise, both will be comparable to SD710 (P65) and SD730 (P90), since P65 are most likely introduced in order to compete with SD710, like P60/P70 which are introduced in order to compete with SD660.
At the VERY least, even if MediaTek clocked P65 lower, it will still be comparable to SD670, CPU-wise, as SD670 are essentially a "downgrade" version of SD670, like SD636 being a 'lite' version of SD660, and SD450 as the 'lite version of SD625.
Still, for the time being, MOST people will be buying Helio P60/P70-powered device, as the only reason people buying MediaTek powered devices is for its high price-to-performance ratio.
Once u omit that point, people will be looking elsewhere, most probably SD660 ~ SD730-powered devices.
Anonymous, 25 Jun 2019You only have 2 A75 when P60/632 have 4A73...
Single-core perfs will be better on P65.
As co... moreIt will definitely toss p60 and SD636 on multi core, but there are other big advantages other than multi-core raw benchmarks: 48MP support, better LTE CAT support, more efficient battery consumption, better single-core performance for main tasks etc.
The cortex a75 is MUCH better than a73. The difference will be big
Expect CPU performance of the SDM660 with the charm of SDM636.
Since the G52's website mentions that the max. amount of G52 cores allowed is 4 dual-pixel cores and the fact that Kirin 810 actually mentions G52 MP6 (which I bet is a 3 dual pixel cores), then the P65 may actually contains 4 'cores' (2 dual-pixel cores) if they market the chip's GPU like Huawei's fashion. Thus, it may give a strong competition towards Adreno 508/509 and even catching the heels of Mali G72MP3 inside the P60.
Features are lackluster compared to contenders like the SDM660/71x or even the older P60/70. Expect this little beast to power lite versions of your usual Snapdragon-ridden midrangers. Perhaps Redmi 7 Pro?
Anonymous, 25 Jun 2019The cpu is better than p60 and sd632You only have 2 A75 when P60/632 have 4A73...
Single-core perfs will be better on P65.
As corepilot is a little better than the big.little used by Qualcomm and frequencies higher, multicore can be better than 632...
As memory bandwidth is twice better on P60 due to dual-channel and with 2 more big cores, little cores running at 2.0ghz vs 1.7ghz, I'm not sure P65 beat P60 on multicore
BrendonF, 25 Jun 2019Unfortunately no. The gpu is a G52 mp2 while the p60 had a more powerful G72 mp2. To give you ... moreG72mp3 on P60 ;-)
This P65 is more a SD632's competitor (when P60 is SD636/660's)...with 48MP full support (even SD710 hasn't ZSD in 48MP). I think phone's manufacturers ask for a cheap soc with good photos abilities (ISP+AI).
Getting a phone that cost 150/200Â€ and take good photos is more interessant for most people than a GPU.
Adul Al Salami Kebab, 25 Jun 2019I hope the GPU is better than P60! :DUnfortunately no. The gpu is a G52 mp2 while the p60 had a more powerful G72 mp2. To give you a perspective the Kirin 810 which is also a mid range chip has the same G52 gpu but in a mp6 configuration which is theoretically 200% faster though of course in reality it's not as much.
lvr, 25 Jun 2019Thanks for the detailed answer. So basically there is no competition for 8xx series but mid-ra... moreMaybe "Oppo Reno Z" with Helio P90...I'm waiting for a review...
Have a look at lte frequencies to see if it's ok in your country
lvr, 25 Jun 2019Is there any good MediaTek chip? Comparable to Snapdragon 8xx, 7xx or 6xx series? I don't real... moreYeah, there are..
Helio X10 which trolled hard Snapdragon 810 due the overheat of the last.
Meanwhile Helio X20 was the most succesful chip from them despite Snapdragon 820 dominace.
Helio P60 was a renaissance from Mediatek which was short.