As long as the manufacturers continue to make phones with IP 68 and better, nothing bothers me
Yuri84, 01 Jul 2019In my opinion, having a top bezel is absolutely fine. Speaker, camera - they all fit there nic... more+999. Most people & phone manufacturers laughed when Apple introduced the notch, but they ironically copied that silly 'design'.
Top bezels were starting to get 'busy' with better front camera (not that I need it) and even double front camera for better results, dedicated face recognition tech, secondary speaker for stereo sound, and the take-it-for-granted LED notification light (which serves more purpose to me than the front camera). Also bezels actually make screens more usable because there's no rounded corners.
Then iPhone X happened and all that tech goes into the trash can. What a waste.
I'm perfectly happy with no front camera, so whatever is least intrusive (with holes in the display being most inclusive).
And for the person who posted that "most people have moved to video calls", sorry but LOL! I don't know anyone who uses that, and I never see anyone using that (and I spend most of my time amongst 18-25 year olds). Japan is the only place I've ever noticed this being used significantly, and even there it's a minority sport.
I'm not denying that many people use front cameras, and that it would be suicidal for a manufacturer to omit it. But video calling as the reason, sorry but your peer group is a lot less representative than you realise.
In my opinion, having a top bezel is absolutely fine. Speaker, camera - they all fit there nicely, you don't get a notch and it doesn't react to you putting a finger on the area that has no screen, which helps in holding the device. That extra screen height is not very useful. It is pretty, but that's about it. Videos don't show in that extra area (unless they're ultra wide, but then you get black bars on top and bottom), browser allows you to see more information there but can you objectively use it? If you read one line at a time, do you care if you have 16 or 19 lines on a page?
What I want to say: there should've been an option "I'm fine with bezels, but not notches".
My ideal would also a phone without front camera. Simply because I myself only use it very rarely when wife wants to take selfie with my phone. Or video calls once / twice a year; and even so, its not me who started it. Video call is a hassle because you need to use headset, otherwise both parties will have a shout-out competition. I prefer the old-school cellular network calls, or VoLTE whenever available.
Any mechanism with popup / slide / swivel camera will deteriorate with time, so under-display is the future. But then there's concern with privacy & quality.
There's also option to use the 'ancient' Sony-Ericsson's way: attachable camera module. Too much? Maybe. But it solve both selfie quality & privacy issues, and actually give customer freedom to choose.
All in all, aiming for dreamlike bezel-less phone is a long journey. Under-display Fingerprint Reader now has evolved to an acceptable response time & accuracy. And now Under-display camera steps in. Fix for accidental touch on edged / thin-bezel displays is the next homework I think.
Anonymous, 30 Jun 2019I'm not saying I'm imp, I'm saying just because someone not happy with me complaining custom s... moreI get ur point though it's better security but what about the rear camera then? If they can get the front why not rear?
I can live with a small bezel ... how much space does it take to put tiny camera above the display? I also like a phone to be symetrical, but trend is no bezel (with a notch) and a bezel on the other side. So, if under screen camera is cheap...go for it. Otherwise rather improove something else in the phone.
I think motor and mechanism takes too much room in the phone...
Anonymous, 30 Jun 2019But 21:9 ratioYou are right 21:9 is another topic, I can't say anything unless I hold and use it. It won't be sold in Turkey.
i am not sure how some people here who kept saying they never use the front camera lived their lives the last 10 years at least. i myself rarely use the front camera for taking pictures, but please realize that most people have since moved mostly to video calling. here in the philippines, 3g was rolled out in 2008 and right there and then i have rarely used regular voice calls as they cost the same as video calls. it's not that it is a necessity for a fulfilling life, but the technology is there so we should use it. the reason for the invention of telephony is to facilitate for real time communication as if you have the person you're speaking with in front of you; and here video telephony has elevated it further by actually being able to see the person you are speaking with. video calls are not a privacy issue either because like regular voice calls, you can simply hang up or not turn on your front camera if you don't want to be seen on the other end.
then there are those people who claim their phones were hacked and people are able to turn on the front camera and see them real time. i have just one word for them- encryption. there has been no case brought about spying through the front camera of a device because, simply, it has not happened. sci-fi is just that- FICTION; no one in the world can control your device's front camera remotely and send real time images online unless you specifically give them permission with a remote viewing app (like teamviewer). additionally, these remote viewing apps needs permission every single instance it needs to access your system. even call recordings and text messages cannot be remotely hijacked as those come with end to end ecryption as well. i used to work as a tier 2 technical support for telecom provider in the u.s. so i know what i am talking about. if there is one thing that can be hacked into about your device, it would be the information your device stores online- such as a cloud server. then again it is also rare as it is pretty difficult to hack into a big company such as apple or google who collects data about you.
while it is difficult, there is always a chance it could happen as in the case of fapenning in 2014. if it does happen, for sure it will be a big issue and will catch the media's attention, so there will be news coverage. with the fact that it has not been reported- that of hackers being able to remotely turn on and view you on your device's front-facing camera, that means it has not happened yet.
Bezelless trend is stupid. Phones are becoming bigger instead of smaller. We see 16:9 ratio being changed to 18:9 (and longer) to fill up the original phone dimensions instead of seeing a shortening of the phone's length.
5th option would be a 2nd screen at the rear but that wouldn't be considered as "front cam" but if image and video quality is concerned, that's the best option IMO and I really wished that rear screen should be the ones that became mainstream instead of any of these abominations notches, pop-up, flip-up, slide-up, and pinhole.
If I have a glass rear phone that is very expensive to replace, it better have a rear screen instead of just plain and shiny gorilla glass.
camera quality is the only thing that matters, if it doesn't ruin the whole camera setup/space/quality then the flip design delivers the best quality so that's it.
Anonymous, 30 Jun 2019is it an apple phone or android phone. that will show that its really not secure. 0_oIt's android, thought apple is too expensive several years ago, can afford now but don't like ios just as EMUI, plus already deep into android.
Anonymous, 30 Jun 2019Why would you *want* bezels when it is possible not to have them? This sounds like a contraria... moreThr thing is, the bezel less phones are just a aesthetic and fancy thing, not a functional reason, in fact, curved and bezel less screen are more prone to suffer scratches and cracks, and a lot of non desired "touches" , they create a lot more troubles, and they DO NOT solve any
As I really dont give a damn for selfie cameras, I Would preffer them under the display, even if they produce bad results, the only REALLY useful reason for front cameras would be video confences, and for those, you do not need a fancy (childish self indulging) camera
As i dont want to get spied, atm i prefer pop ups, because i know when the eye is watching.
Flipup has the potential to be the best, but it's current form is too flimsy.
The underscreen is the future, it beats notches by design, but is the bane of privacy. On my tablet i use stickers just to make sure cams are not watching, but on the underscreen we won't be able to do that, because we will be covering a part of the display.
I hate selfies, i dont want them, i dont want to pay extra cash for them and i dont want the security riscs that come with them.
They can be hacked, both by police and criminals.
The industry imposes them for their own interests.
We need to resist, we are the ones who are paying!