Anonymous, 18 Jul 2019this comment section is so boring in reality your just only playing SIM's.that makes your comment too
this comment section is so boring in reality your just only playing SIM's.
Kangal, 17 Jul 2019Damn, you beat me to it.
The issue with the SoC's is that AMD has only just reached Intel n... moreThe 12 core 3900x is more efficient than the 8 core 9900k, so it consumes less power while providing much better performance overall.
So AMD didn't just reach Intel, they overtook Intel.
Now think of an AMD Zen 2 mobile SOC with a Navi GPU. It would murder anything intel has.
ProJames-CHM, 17 Jul 2019Couldn't agree more.
Though if I were Apple, I'd take the Macbook Air, chuck the Intel ULV ... moreNo, I'm sure Intel would be fine to provide x86 CPUs that are immensely cut-down (like Atom chiplets). As in they lack most of the features to be able to be used as a CPU on a motherboard (call it the bad batches from binning) but are suitable enough to run x86-code. Think of it like the lame "NPU processors" that companies are beginning to market. Heck, I'm sure AMD would be thrilled to do something like that.
But regardless, what I said above is a possible solution, it's just not easy to implement.
I think the smartest thing would be to use marketing:
- Introduce the new Macbook which runs few OS X programs, some iPhone Apps, and most iPad Apps. It's basically a new 12in model, with a touchscreen, and a convertible keyboard (Yoga).
- Alongside it, also introduce the new iMac which is the same ARM device, just a large All-in-One PC with touchscreen, and a huge screen that can contort around your desk.
- Then introduce the MacBook Pro devices which are the same as the new ARM-Macbook but they are thicker/heavier, cost more, and use x86-chipsets with active cooling.
- And introduce the new iMac Pro, which is also a touchscreen All-in-One PC but it uses x86-chipset instead of ARM. And because of that it costs more, and has active cooling.
That's how I would go about it. I would introduce the Apple ARM SoC's to the OS X/Macintosh line as something smaller, lighter, slower, cheaper, and less capable. And split the legacy Mac's exclusively into the "Pro" line, and promote its abilities for content creators. Now after a couple years, say 2016 - 2020, I would test the best that x86 platform has to offer (Ryzen/Xeon) to the best that ARM platform has to offer (Cortex A78, 4core to 32core), and determine which has the better performance, battery life, and features. And if a Custom ARM solution wins, then introduce the New-Pro line, where it uses much more powerful ARM CPU's than Xeon or Ryzen. It's possible at this point, that Apple's Graphics Division might be able to produce more efficient and faster graphics card than AMD's Navi or Nvidia's Turing cards, so a Custom Apple GPU would also be adopted in an APU format.
So now, Apple-Pro devices will still cost more than PC devices. But they will be able to use less power/heat/noise, whilst being faster, and have much better profit margins. And potentially be more appealing to buyers because your iWatch, iPod, iPhone, iPad, iTV.... all of it can seamlessly transition to your iMac. Including your Files, Settings, and Apps.
...something other platforms cannot do, if you use a Tizen Watch, Alexa Pod, Android Phone, ChromeOS tablet, webOS TV, and a Windows 10 Pro PC.
Kangal, 17 Jul 2019Damn, you beat me to it.
The issue with the SoC's is that AMD has only just reached Intel n... moreCouldn't agree more.
Though if I were Apple, I'd take the Macbook Air, chuck the Intel ULV and put an A12X. The other half measure you mentioned would have a prohibitive price (I mean more than now). This would test the waters a bit better than an iPad by giving an actual reference product than implicitly saying "imagine this was a Macbook". They send e-mails to their favourite devs, send them some documentation and updated SDKs, wait for them to say "Yes Apple!" and see the magic happen. Lighter, faster, cooler and longer running Macbook. What's there not to like?
But Timmy's too frightened to take risks, even such a calculated move.
That's what I'd do. What do you think?
Tech-9, 17 Jul 20193% is nothing im waiting for 100% increase in score for every 2years so from 350k to 700k in 2021yyou can go back to sleep and keep dreaming, this is 855, not a the successor
ProJames-CHM, 16 Jul 2019Yes they are but Apple has switched architectures many times successfully. Motorola 6800, IBM ... moreDamn, you beat me to it.
The issue with the SoC's is that AMD has only just reached Intel now, by using a superior node (7nm vs 14nm). So they could be in a tie-break next-gen with (5nm vs 10nm), or Intel could overtake the lead again with a 7nm of their own (or a next-gen architecture). So betting on AMD is not a "safe bet".
And on the mobile front, Intel is still king. AMD has no solution against Intel's Ultralow chips with 4-cores and 8-threads, and is sipping power in those Ultrabooks/Thin-n-Lights. Not to mention the Core M/Y chips as well.
Now to go with ARM would require an architectural shift, and if there's anyone poised for one it's Apple. Firstly, Apple has done it before. Secondly, the OS X and iOS operating systems codes have been merged very closely, and the App Development Tools for iOS is now also used for OS X (bleh macOS). Their iPad Pro's are nearing on ultrabooks, people are ecstatic about the iPhone ecosystem, and love the hardware of Macintosh.
So what's the hold up?
The Core M/Y chipsets and the Core U chipsets still offer a decent performance and efficiency. The ARM processors, whilst superior, will get handicapped in performance and efficiency with the heavier code of OS X and x86-emulation (see Windows 10S).
To me, it seems like a lack of leadership at Apple. They are too afraid to commit to anything, and have been simply testing the waters the past few years, with their A10 chipset and larger iPad's. They're believing the entire Mac ecosystem will crumble, based on the short-view of tablet sales are down, so a convertible/touchscreen Mac would too. Steve Jobs wouldn't have been so restrained. He would've jumped in with the product, like he did with the iPod, iPhone, iPad, and even the MacBook Air/PowerPC.
A) Apple continues to test the water, iPad's get better but lack the support from the market. Macs continue to fall back into obscurity due to lack of innovation but increased prices.
B) Apple pulls the bandaid fast. New version of Mac's are only for ARM, and they include an x86-emulator for legacy support but demand new Apps need to be re-written for the MacStore. Eventually the two platforms are unified. Macintosh devices are no longer open-software or open-hardware, they're locked down. This loses all enthusiasts, but keeps the casual users happy.
C) Apple takes a half-measure. Macs are ported to ARM, and the CPU becomes dependant on ARM. However, there is a second chipset, like a GPU, that only runs on command. This is an x86-Processor and it's only duty is to run legacy code, and give instructions back to the CPU. Basically having a "Hardware Emulator" built in to the device. In time, this co-processor becomes licensed, developed, simplified, and embedded into the ARM CPU. And eventually its a legacy code that's emulated within an ARM architecture.
3% is nothing im waiting for 100% increase in score for every 2years so from 350k to 700k in 2021y
Where is Huawei P30 on the chart? Oh there it is...at the bottom.. I don't pay any attention at the bottom...should have looked for Huawei there first...
BigBonKawk, 16 Jul 2019Unless AMD can somehow magically decrease the TDP, Apple won't be going for it, especially in ... moreIronically, the air uses the same CPU type (y) as the macbook 12" but with a fan.
Love the Community, 16 Jul 2019x86 and ARM are different architectures. If ever, Apple should abandon Intel and go full AMD (... moreYes they are but Apple has switched architectures many times successfully. Motorola 6800, IBM PowerPC, Intel Core...
Also i dont believe a Redmi K20 pro will preform worse than any of the phones on the list.
Thats just not possible same goes for Nubia red magic 3.
This is just meaningless i mean SD855+.
If SD855 without plus on benchmark score preforms as good then having SD855+ is complete useless pointless and because its a new CPU it makes phone a bit more expensive for a no sake.
Oh wow literally no difference. I've seen phones scoring higher than that with a normal 855. 🤦‍♂️
Love the Community, 16 Jul 2019x86 and ARM are different architectures. If ever, Apple should abandon Intel and go full AMD (... more I know being different architectures means that programs from one have to be reprogrammed for the other but ignoring that fact, can a current phone CPU perform with the same efficiency as a desktop CPU?
Love the Community, 16 Jul 2019x86 and ARM are different architectures. If ever, Apple should abandon Intel and go full AMD (... moreUnless AMD can somehow magically decrease the TDP, Apple won't be going for it, especially in their portables. The enclosure is just too terrible of a heat sink. Heck, even the i9 have been redesigned for lower voltage in their latest 15" MBP so that it doesn't throttle much.
The switch to their A-series will probably happen sometime in 2021 or 2022 as per Ming Chi Kuo (the best Apple leakster). This basically falls in line that they have discontinued their super thin ultraportable MacBook line (which they didn't update since 2017 due to Intel's crappy proc line) and just have updated the Air and Pro line at present.
ProJames-CHM, 16 Jul 2019At this point, Apple should ditch Intel, at least in their low-end Macbooks. Not the first tim... morex86 and ARM are different architectures. If ever, Apple should abandon Intel and go full AMD (CPU and GPU).
At this point, Apple should ditch Intel, at least in their low-end Macbooks. Not the first time they changed architectures and definitely not the last. If their in-house product has a lower TDP and higher performance than a i7-6600U (and that's a 15W CPU, so much for ULV lol. And Kaby/Coffee Lake are all the same core architecture, same performance, just tweaked for very modest clock increases) yet beats it in both mono and multi-core tests (the 6600U has 8000 in multi), just use your own AxX SoCs at this point!
But probably they have an ongoing deal. They get Intel's higher binned CPUs most of the time, almost exclusively. Plus with sweet Iris Pro graphics with eDRAM.
Though I'm sure they'll get there at some point. And app devs will follow. It's Apple lol. That would incidentally help WinARM64. And everyone wins. Except Intel but who cares. They'll still own the HPC, video entertainment, CAD and gaming segment.
Same goes for Samsung. Their M4 cores and Exynos SoCs would shine in a laptop. Or a tablet.
More relevant though, those numbers are underwhelming.
The composite gb number isn't very useful in determining how fast the core will appear. It seems like it tracks best case cpu throughput rather than expected perf. So, it can tell you if the back end has more execution resources but not how easy it is to make use of them.