Samsung trademarks new “Bright Night” camera sensor for S11 series Comments
- Anonymous
- Lj%
This tech is to have more control of HDR.
It was never meant to be low light thing.
A 27MP 1/1.33" bayer will beat a 108MP 1/1.33" quadbayer because it has more light gathering surface. The QB sensor will leave more space between pixels.
- Anonymous
- Lj%
The last Oracle, 29 Nov 2019Curiously Bright Night has been registered with regard to the sensor. Which probably means the... moreIf it is called tetra, it is because it can do 4.
Not 9.
2 pixels will have different exposure compared to the other 2.
To increase DR.
You cant do with odd number.
- Anonymous
- Lj%
Anonymous, 29 Nov 2019They struggle because most users do not have the bright aperture lenses that smartphones are e... moreExcept the f1.7 on tiny cellphone lens is not same same of f1.7 of professional lens.
The f1.7 of Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Pro is equal to f5.5 on Full Frame.
The f1.8 of iphone is equal to f10 on Full frame.
People wrongly think f has same size no matter sensor. No it does not.
This is why those huge f1.8 telephotos are so thick, thicker than a leg.
Go to B&H site , check the Micro 4/3 lenses. They have crop factor of 2.
If you find for example 12-25mm f2.4 -4 , will you also be written there 24-50mm f4.8-8 FF equiv.
This is reason why a 52mm f2.0 of iphone cannot blur whole background without software tricks.
- Anonymous
- Lj%
THE-TRUTH-REVEALER, 29 Nov 2019Perhaps a 18/12 MP (combining 6MP/9MP into 1 MP on the 108 MP sensor) night mode?
It would b... moreSensor cannot work this way.
Just dividing by four.
It is hardware process, not software like regular binning used by LG or One Plus in previous models.
- Anonymous
- pQr
The last Oracle, 29 Nov 2019Curiously Bright Night has been registered with regard to the sensor. Which probably means the... moreA 108 megapixel Quad Bayer sensor doesn't have a better low light performance than a 27 megapixel Bayer sensor of the same size! It's a huge misunderstanding. The only advantage could be the different HDR technique which can apply two different analog amplifications at the same time, but no smartphone manufacturer has confirmed that they do this and it's not known whether this HDR technique is better than a conventional HDR technique.
- Anonymous
- pQr
Anonymous, 29 Nov 2019They struggle because most users do not have the bright aperture lenses that smartphones are e... morePlease stop talking about Iso. So many people think that a high Iso leads to noisier raw files. It's totally wrong. A higher analog amplification leads to less noisy raw files, it's the opposite. I can't believe why so many people don't understand it. If a higher Iso (at the same exposure time and f number) would produce noisier raw files, everyone could just capture raw files at the lowest Iso and just make them brighter and get a less noisy photo, but this isn't the case, you get more noise this way because a high Iso leads to less(!) noisy raw files at the same exposure time and f number! I really can't believe how often this Iso nonsense is repeated
- The last Oracle
- vI1
Curiously Bright Night has been registered with regard to the sensor. Which probably means the sensor processing and CFA is directed for better low light imaging.
The Tetra Pixel/Quad Pixel already improves lowlight, and if it combines 9 pixels instead of 4, it could further improve colour, noise and low light detail.
The possibilities with smaller sensors are always more, because there is lesser sensor size for reading and better processing algorithm options. Plus nobody seems to have explores the possibility of lenses faster than f1.5 yet. Smartphone lenses could get brighter and faster readout along with Tetra or Ennea (nine) Pixels, merging them for way better quality photos.
- Anonymous
- pQr
Smartphones already beat full frame cameras in low light conditions due to a higher dynamic range. A full frame camera can't produce jpgs automatically that have bright shadows and not blown out highlights. When you use a 12 megapixel full frame camera in auto mode, the full frame camera even won't have a significant advantage over the best low light smartphones regarding details and noise, apparently even worse.
Many people don't know what they are talking about and think larger sensor = better image quality, very wrong.
- Anonymous
- vjw
Anonymous, 29 Nov 2019Cell phones will never be good at night. Even 1", micro 4/3 and APSC struggle at right hands.... moreThey struggle because most users do not have the bright aperture lenses that smartphones are equipped with. Smartphones with low f-numbers can use lower ISOs, thus matching the quality of pro cameras.
- Jake420
- fsV
GDS Khera, 29 Nov 2019If I am given a choice, here'd be my pics for the 5 sensors
1) 108 MP Main Variable Aperture ... morePretty accurate except I think it's already confirmed 48mp periscope so maybe 40mp ultrawide,laser focus+ pdaf, tof sensor and high chance of 10× periscope zoom.
Gonna be the best all rounder of 2020 would be insane if it came with a headphone Jack but that's wishful thinking
- Anonymous
- Lj%
Cell phones will never be good at night.
Even 1", micro 4/3 and APSC struggle at right hands.
Pixel density of this isocell is same if Full Frame sensor of 333,5MP.
Even doing the tetra binning, still would be bit over 83MP.
Instead of using two cameras for zoom (yes, many will use 2 or 3x for portrait and 5x for periscope) or ToF (all are using just for silly bokeh, that still is bad) should put a 16MP 1/1.7" monochrome.
- YUKI93
- KZK
So instead of a feature inside the Camera app, Samsung is now making a dedicated camera sensor for it. I just wish it has a really big pixel. Remember HTC One M8? That may have 4MP camera, but it has a mega 2.0 micron pixel. The night shot from that phone is just insane!
Perhaps a 18/12 MP (combining 6MP/9MP into 1 MP on the 108 MP sensor) night mode?
It would be cool if they can properly use all that information to produce a stunning night time shot not seen yet.
- Nick Tagataka
- gRy
jtrogr, 29 Nov 2019Pixelcount does not mean quality. Compare some old phones with 20 or more mpx and you will see... moreThat's because older phones with higher MP count come with far less powerful image processing and the pixel pitch of their sensors is smaller. You also take some other factors into accounts, such as improvement in lens quality or an addition of OIS etc.
- Anonymous
- Lj%
GDS Khera, 29 Nov 2019If I am given a choice, here'd be my pics for the 5 sensors
1) 108 MP Main Variable Aperture ... more40MP exmor is exclusive for huawei.
Also is too late to make a new sensor.
It takes months to develop, maybe more than one year.
- Anonymous
- Lj%
More MP = more rolling shutter
Videos will be awful.
- GDS Khera
- 2S$
If I am given a choice, here'd be my pics for the 5 sensors
1) 108 MP Main Variable Aperture (Preferebly 3 step now)
2) 12 MP Dual Pixel 2/3 X Tele (For Portraits) The one Samsung currently uses as main.
3) 40 MP Quad Bayer 5 or 10 X Periscope
4) 48 MP Quad Bayer Ultrawide
5) 8MP 3 Microns Night Vision Video Camera
And IF there is space left... a TOF.
- vrvly
- g5f
Most of(or almost all) hi res sensor got poor low light performance per pixel, its not only processing but even shutter speed is more than 3 times slower.
Besides that I hope color performance and white balance will get better. New samsung sensor should be better in that.
- Anonymous
- Lj%
This is the name I though Apple was going to use for its useless night mode
- AnonD-754814
- uNV
jtrogr, 29 Nov 2019Pixelcount does not mean quality. Compare some old phones with 20 or more mpx and you will see... moreIt does mean something better when other factors remain unchanged. As the 48mp sensor has 0.8 micron pixel size same as Samsung 108 sensor which makes Samsung 108 sensor much larger in size and which results in better light capturing capability. Those make 48MP inferior to Samsung 108MP sensor.
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