DroidBoye, 12 Dec 2019Sensors are developed independently and does not solely rely on smartphone development. They j... moreThe only thing that's narrow minded is your obnoxious response to such a simple and factual statement.
Sensors could easily have advanced better than what we have. Especially simply using 12mp 1.4um over and over.
And they do coinside with phone development and go for demand and progress.
The fact you attack someone's intelligence for simply understanding something that affects us all is ridiculous.
They've had the tech and ability to do better for years.
Who got better cameras now, Samsung or Apple???
Anonymous, 11 Dec 2019Until they had the Nokia 1020b rated similar to the note 2 lolLOL, people doesn't seem to understand that DXO's review only stands on the time it was made. Same final score means nothing especially when lots of time have passed and lots of methodology revisions were made. I noticed that most of the people said that DXO is wrong or was being paid, they're the same people that only bases their argument in the final score. The procedure were clearly laid out in the article and there's also a separate page dedicated for their methodology, if only people read those and interpret them properly.
Anonymous, 11 Dec 2019I don't just mean 1 inch sensors. I mean bigger sensors and resulting period. Among other thin... moreSensors are developed independently and does not solely rely on smartphone development. They just tweak them just to cater specific needs for smartphone applications and you should know that. Even the quad-bayer sensors from Sony were first implemented on CCTV-focused sensors then adopted for smartphones later. Thinking that it's only the smartphone industry that makes the sensors more compact is just narrow-mindedness. Most of your arguments were also based on wishful thinking, lol, I expected better actually.
Steven , 11 Dec 2019It is not worth if you care all about the money. If one care all about quality IT IS WORTH IT No the quality and tech are not worth the money for these devices anymore
It needs to have Quad Pixel autofocus, which Sony just announced.
FromChinaWithLove, 10 Dec 2019First, I’m not saying that Xiaomi or the note 10 is better than Samsung ( especially mi note 1... moreIt is not worth if you care all about the money. If one care all about quality IT IS WORTH IT
Anonymous, 11 Dec 2019Until they had the Nokia 1020b rated similar to the note 2 lolI'm talking about their latest testing procedure. There was a time when DxO wasn't even making the full resolution images publicly available and rating Sony phones as the best camera phones, and for me at that time their credibility was indeed quite horrible in every conceivable way. But they changed a lot since then.
DroidBoye, 11 Dec 2019That's already wishful thinking on your own side of reasoning. The tech is not being "held-bac... moreI don't just mean 1 inch sensors. I mean bigger sensors and resulting period. Among other things. Although even then if the consumers didn't chase anorexia then a couple devices could possibly have one inch sensors.
Fintoyu, 11 Dec 2019dxomark :))))))))) i stop reading at this word :)))))))Ugh, here we go. Some people reflex in kneejerk fashion whenever they hear a word "DxOMark" and honestly I'm sick of seeing this kind of attitude. The truth is, while their overall scores are blackboxed and can't be used to judge the image quality of each device, individual scores do make sense and fairly accurately represent how phone cameras actually perform in each category. If you take a look at the full resolution sample pictures shown on their website, there are many instances where Mate 30 Pro matches Mi Note 10 in terms of detail, and they have been mostly taken under broad daylight where Mi Note 10 captures the greatest amount of detail.
Samsung can use 108MP sensor all they want, but let's just face the reality here - if they don't improve the image processing algorithms this time around, most of the extra MP will simply go down the drain. In 2020 more and more manufacturers will move onto larger, higher resolution sensor and the software will be the a lot more important differentiating factor than it ever was. It's good that Samsung is improving the hardware side, but they need to cook the raw output from the sensor in a good way as well.
Anonymous, 11 Dec 2019Actually not only is much more possible at this point it should have been already. Between t... moreThat's already wishful thinking on your own side of reasoning. The tech is not being "held-back", it's not that 1" sensors stopped existing, it's just that users wanted features but doesn't even want to pay a premium price for it. Even the moto-mod hasselblad hasn't gotten traction (not 1" sensor, obviously), the Samsung K Zoom (also small sensor size) died years back and also Panasonic's CM1 died too. Smartphone manufacturers doesn't want to operate on a huge loss that's why they don't make those devices anymore, it's not greed, just smart business choices. Smartphone manufacturing businesses were not charities you know.
Nick Tagataka, 11 Dec 2019"Nokia,Microsoft and HTC have done it before Huawei was even relevant"
You mean Nokia only? M... moreUm no. what they said is relevant. With htc. You are right about Microsoft.
Htc was relevant. And they specifically mentioned something around the pixels size or performance. Not just resolution.
And the 2um pixels on the old htcs were just that.
DroidBoye, 11 Dec 2019Well obviously. What I don't like is people's wishful thinking towards what's economically pos... moreActually not only is much more possible at this point it should have been already.
Between the laziness and greed of manufacturers and the foolishness of consumers they have gotten away with holding back the tech and even recycling it over and over again.
Anonymous, 10 Dec 2019What? No Huawei is playing the mp war. High MP phones and low MP phones have been around befor... more"Nokia,Microsoft and HTC have done it before Huawei was even relevant"
You mean Nokia only? Microsoft wasn't in the centre of the camera development of old Nokia phones, and HTC was only playing around the idea of "UltraPixel", instead of super high MP count. HTC has been irrelevant since 2015 though, so I don't understand why you even bothered including it in the list.
"Nobody is playing catch up with Huawei"
Xiaomi, Oppo and now Samsung like to have a word on you... Who was the first phone manufacturer to come up with ultra high resolution sensor with Quad Bayer CFA, again?
Nick Tagataka, 11 Dec 2019Because it's pretty much unusable as a mobile phone by today's standards.Well obviously. What I don't like is people's wishful thinking towards what's economically possible as a camera smartphone. "I want this and that", it's easy without thinking the possible repercussions (especially the price).
DroidBoye, 11 Dec 2019Why didn't you buy Panasonic Lumix DMC-CM1 then? Because it's pretty much unusable as a mobile phone by today's standards.
Fintoyu, 10 Dec 201927 mp is not 10 mp :)))))You know that 27MP resolution means nothing if software processes it horribly to make it look like 8MP image, right? Xiaomi did a really decent job with Mi Note 10's image processing and yet only managed to get a single point higher than Mate 30 Pro in DxOMark's texture score, despite having a massive advantage in MP count. I wonder how much improvement (or regression) will S11 make over Mi Note 10 in this regard.
And I sincerely hope there won't be any difference in image quality between the Snapdragon and the Exynos variant of S11 like what happened with S10/Note 10.