Senseurheart Kimochi, 01 Feb 2020Double take doesn't very useful. Because it might the picture/results you want. Double take doesn't very useful. Because it might not the picture/results you want
Double take doesn't very useful. Because it might the picture/results you want.
Shanti Dope, 29 Jan 20201 - I refused to use the Galaxy S4 as an example since it's so old that it doesn't fit into th... moreJust in case my previous comment isn't clear enough for you, I'll repeat this from the post before. All 4K video recording capable smartphones are capable of four simultaneous 1080p recordings as far as processing power goes as it is precisiely the exact same amount of pixels/data to process. Four FHD videos = one 4K video at the same fps. Not 8K, not even close.
You didn't know any better, but hopefully now you do. My older comment also gave you a very good reason why no phones, including iphones come with this feature by default. It's a gimmick. It is a very very very pointless gimmick. That is the reason why they don't offer it by default. It has nothing to do with lack of power.
And yes, the S4's dual video feature was a gimmick as well. There's a reason why everyone else didn't add the same function or their version of it. It's a pointless feature.
The S4 didn't have enough power for 1080p60, only 1080p30 hence limited to 720p on dual video. Which requires even less power than 1080p30, but not by much. But this was but it was 7 years ago.
The first phone able to record video at 1080p60 would have been able to have 1080p30 dual video, both examples producing 124.416.000 pixels per second. Just as the first phone able to record 4k@30fps would have been able to record 1080p30 from four cameras if it had four cameras, both examples producing 248.883.200 pixels per second.
It shouldn't come as a surprise to you by now that 1080p30 means 62.208.000 pixels per second. Half of 1080p60 or dual 1080p30. And a quarter of 4k@30 or four 1080p30.
Shanti Dope, 29 Jan 20201 - I refused to use the Galaxy S4 as an example since it's so old that it doesn't fit into th... more1 - yeah right, your apologetic behavior bores me.
2- sigh, not at all the point.
3 - Wow! Your ignorance is shining through as bright as the sun. Do you really not know even the most basic thing about video and resolutions?
Let me educate you:
1080p/FHD is 1920 by 1080 pixels = a total of 2.073.600 pixels - or roughly 2MP.
4K is 3840 by 2160 pixels = a total of 8.294.400 pixels - or roughly between 8 and 8.5 MP
6K, which isn't a thing as far as displays go, so either downscale to 4K or upscale to 8, but anyways, it is 6144 by 3160 pixels = a total of 19.415 040 pixels or roughly 19.5 MP
8k is 7680 by 4320 pixels = a total of 33.177.600 pixels - or roughly 33 MP
In other words 4K is four times the resolution compared to FHD, and therefore also four times the data. Double the pixels in height AND double the pixels in width = four times as many. This is really very basic stuff. You can divide a 4K video into four FHD videos.
To put it more visually, if that helps your understanding. A 100" display is not twice as big as a 50" display, but four times as big.
As far as a device able to record at 4k60 going 6k30, it's not given that it will be able to produce this. It's also not given that it won't, it just needs enough headroom as it requires about 17% more processing power.
Lumina, 30 Jan 2020Android is an open source OS, so it's fairly easy for developers to create a similar app for s... moreDeveloping Android apps for all devices is easy.
Only a few devices need optimizations. Namely older Intel chipsets sometimes.
Entire developer communities set up providing apps for several devices(apps which are not in Stock rom or in playstore)
Apple ecosystem is locked like a prison.
Any developer wants to develop for Android coz of open source nature.
iOS involved too many hassles and doesn't pay their developers well.
Apple just settled a lawsuit where they were specifically slowing down competition against their own apps.
Shanti Dope, 29 Jan 20201 - Third party or not, doesn't change the fact that iPhones could do it but Androids can't. A... moreAndroid is an open source OS, so it's fairly easy for developers to create a similar app for specific Androids that could do it - well, there's none.
> Open sourced OS or not does not matter. Developers can still make apps for the OS because being open sources does not matter. It's just that making such apps for iOS is way more sensible due to the large amount of users and way lesser models to deal with. Developing for iPhone 11 Max will attract Millions of users while developing for Mate 30 Pro or S20 will only attract so many.
Anonymous, 29 Jan 2020We couldn't care less for this information :-)Wasn't talking to you so sush.
SpiritWolf, 29 Jan 2020I never use ultra wide, so I don't care much. :-) We couldn't care less for this information :-)
Shanti Dope, 29 Jan 2020How about the wide angle for the widest perspective? Oh yeah, it CAN'T do it!I never use ultra wide, so I don't care much. :-)
Marco M, 29 Jan 2020So you now suggest that we not talk about what a, by todays standard, weak SGS4 could do way b... more1 - I refused to use the Galaxy S4 as an example since it's so old that it doesn't fit into the modern day smartphone world. Sure it was easy to do so back then, because the chipsets were only handling 720p videos from both cameras - very easy task today, but was pushing SoCs from 2014 to their limit.
And I never said about Nokia 8 not being able to do such thing (in fact that's why I'm using it as an example since it's the most recent modern day smartphone that could do such task), I was pointing out as to why it didn't have the option to shoot videos with all three cameras simultaneously IF the SoC actually did have enough power to perform that task.
After all, if you're gonna have a special feature, then might as well bring out the most out of it. Well definitely there's the lack of power, otherwise shooting with all three cameras shouldn't be a problem for today's high end Android phones
2 - We're not talking about images here - even the Apple A12 Bionic would be powerful enough to read and process 12MP images from 6 sensors all at once. Heck, they could even perform a multi-frame-like processing for videos, which explains their supreme wide dynamic range video capabilities that no Android phone could ever match.
3 - No. Shooting 4 FHD videos from 4 different sensors at once is as good as shooting an 8K video (2 FHD clips equate to 4K, so 2x4=8), which is why no phone today could do that (and hopefully the S20 series get powerful enough to handle the task).
To put into perspective, since today's high end phones are capable of recording in 4K at 60fps, then they could go further to 6K with half the frame rate. That's like an equivalent of shooting 3 FHD 30fps videos simultaneously with 3 different sensors. In theory, Android phones must also be capable of doing such thing, but the problem is that while they actually might have the power to do it, it wouldn't be sufficient to sustain the task, and it may cause to an undesirable footage that you'd rather not have instead. iPhones, on the other hand, are perfectly capable of handling the duty with no difficulties in the run, which makes them well-suited for the task.
Android phones are always playing the catch up game, and I'd bet we'd only start to be able to do things like this by next year.
Shanti Dope, 29 Jan 20201 - Third party or not, doesn't change the fact that iPhones could do it but Androids can't. A... moreSo you now suggest that we not talk about what a, by todays standard, weak SGS4 could do way back then already, but instead look at Nokia 8 (a three year old device btw) and what it doesn't do, not because it was/is unable, but because they didn't see the point of adding such a feature? Right. . .
Oh, and speaking of Nokia, the Nokia 9 reads and processes 12MP shots from five sensors at the time. They are five tiny sensors, so that doesn't really help much on image quality, but it is an example of an android phone reading out data from multiple camera sensors (five) at a time, and a 6th as well (ToF).
Hardware wise, recording four 1080p streams generates the same amount of data as a single 4k video stream. In other words, a 4K capable recording device does have the power to do this. For today's SD800-series this is a software limit, not hardware, well unless they don't have four cameras of course :-)
And let's not loose sight of what this is, it's a gimmick feature. Well, apart from for bloggers I guess, but they really only need selfie plus which ever focal range from one of the rears that is most suitable at the time, then zooming in and out as they see fit, using all the sensors like one normally does just one of them (rear) at the time, plus the selfie one. And obviously a blogger would benefit from 4k from both front and rear cameras, not a 1080p limit. So kind of pointless for them.
A 4k video from the main 26mm equivalent sensor will provide better quality both at 26mm and cropped up to 52mm equivalent. Or put differently, a 4k video from the main sensor, will have better quality when cropped to 1080p than a 1080p video from the 2x tele lens. In addition, when cropping a 4K video you can crop the section you want, not just the middle. In short, normal 4K recording does have a versatility win as well as quality.
Domestoboto, 29 Jan 2020But then you'd have to pay even more money to get a niche-use device with - let's be honest - ... moreCrash happy? Lol you never used an android, go back to using your Toy phone.
Quality of the footage will depend upon the 360 cam you buy not the app.
Apps work just fine.
Shanti Dope, 29 Jan 2020As if I care! Androids could do it both only in 1080p and with 2 cameras. And I do agree tha... moreI agree with you, about the almost seamless transition, and great white balance on iPhones (from the 11 onwards). One has to give credit, where it's due.
Marco M, 29 Jan 2020Keep in mind that this is a third party app solution. The androids that have offered mulit len... more1 - Third party or not, doesn't change the fact that iPhones could do it but Androids can't. Android is an open source OS, so it's fairly easy for developers to create a similar app for specific Androids that could do it - well, there's none.
2 - Let's not talk about the Galaxy S4 and focus more on the Nokia 8 instead. That phone has a pretty powerful SD835, and in theory, it should handle simultaneous 1080p videos on all of its 3 cameras, but it really can't. If it really is capable of doing such thing, then Nokia shouldn't have any problems allowing their cameras to work that way, but like I've said, there's just this lack of enough power.
3 - The real way to show the power of the chipsets inside is the ability to switch cameras seamlessly. Not only do the recent iPhones could do it, they could even maintain a very consistent white balance across all three cameras - even flagship Androids have drastically different color temperatures with different camera lenses.
And have I mentioned the iPhone's capability to shoot in 4K 60fps on its front camera? If that's not enough to say that iPhones are the most powerful, then you're clearly being delusional.
Shanti Dope, 29 Jan 2020As if I care!
Androids could do it both only in 1080p and with 2 cameras.
And I do agree tha... moreKeep in mind that this is a third party app solution. The androids that have offered mulit lens shots/video have done so natively with built-in apps by Samsung, Huawei etc. And of course the S4 didn't support four cameras, as mentiond by some, as it only had two.
Comparing iphones to androids based on thir third party app then doesn't make much sense. This app will get the same support eventually and android as well. It's just that these developers prioritized ios. Other prioritize android. That's just the way it is.
The Last Oracle, 29 Jan 2020Ignorance is truly bliss. Many Android phones have had this feature for over 1/2 decade ago. A... moreAs if I care!
Androids could do it both only in 1080p and with 2 cameras.
And I do agree that iPhones don't have enough power - the iPhones could switch between lenses seamlessly and with very consistent white balance. A lot of Androids could do that too, right? 😏
SpiritWolf, 29 Jan 2020P30Pro lets you use tele and wide camera simultaneously. Like this apps split screen. Quite us... moreHow about the wide angle for the widest perspective?
Oh yeah, it CAN'T do it!
Anonymous, 29 Jan 2020Using both front and back cameras has been a feature since freaking Galaxy s4.... Yeah, it's really difficult to capture images with TWO cameras simultaneously, eh?