Scram, 18 Feb 2020Semantics.
'Pre-applied' or 'Integral', Samsung obviously realized having an ULTRA THIN gla... moreYes, it is semantics, and it matters.
People who don't carefully consider the meaning of words are more apt to spread misinformation and fall for duplicitous marketing.
Hilmawan, 17 Feb 2020A material must have certain physical properties and composition in order to be called glass. ... moreThere is *glass* over the display. Period.
1. There's a mandatory plastic protector on top of the glass.
2. The glass is thin enough that it could sustain a point puncture without cracking all the way through.
That's why it's not incorrect to call you "meat man", instead of "skin man".
That's why JRE *mistakenly* ruled out glass. The claim of Ultra Thin Glass has never been false.
"A half truth is a whole lie"
Sure, they might be a "some" glass in there but the fact that Samsung lied about its properties is false advertising still.
People bashed Apple on the "sapphire" issue when it isn't even the most vital part of the phone (the screen). I'd say Samsung deserves all the bashing it is getting because they lied about the screen's material, which is the most used part of the smartphone.
Sure, Samsung did some good things but that will not change the fact that they committed false advertising now.
As someone had said, if you (or your supporters) have to desperately defend your obviously false/half truth act, that means you have failed.
ProJames-CHM, 17 Feb 2020I thought of something. If Zach really tore through the "glass", the display was right unde... moreHe did punch right through the plastic and damage the display. It's in the video, he pokes through multiple times and it damages a whole line of pixels each time. Then he also mashes the puncture spots, letting oxygen in between the plastic and OLED layers, which permanently kills the pixels there.
Scram, 18 Feb 2020You admit you haven't used a folding phone, yet you make this factually untrue statement with ... moreDo I have to use a folding phone to know that plastic on top of glass is not any better that full plastic? No and here's why.
Foldable phones are not first to use plastic screens. Remember Moto Force series and their Shatter Shield screen? Full plastic. And I had a "pleasure" to use that. For a short while, luckily. And I also know what it feels like with plastic layer on top of glass.
This is like saying "you don't know how to drive a car, if you haven't driven a Porsche". You don't need a Porsche to know how to drive.
Car is a car, plastic is plastic and glass on plastic is glass on plastic. Doesn't matter if you put it on a Samsung, or Xiaomi.
The real reason why you're not replying properly is because you don't have any good argument to follow up. You already wasted your time, so why not give me a good reasoning? You would if you could.
Engineers do their thing and the marketing do theirs. Remember that same engineers made the first easily destructible Fold screen, and send review units after many hours of testing. And marketing can sell everything. Sealed phones, lack of headphone jack, notch or a punch-hole, you name it. That's their job.
I'm ending this discussion here, since all your argument revolve around "you didn't use it, you don't know shit". I know my part of shit and that's why I made the first question. Period.
We can debate on this for hours on end. But finally, for a normal user, what matters is end result.
And the end result is : a user is going to Interact with Z Flip via plastic, 'not' glass. His fingers will touch plastic. As opposed to what many of us thought. So UTG is good only for making foldable glass, not formidable glass.
As to how that particular plastic performs, whether it's better or worse than what's on Fold, remains to be seen.
In any case it's a disappointing news.
AnonD-908380, 18 Feb 2020Passive aggressive insults when you don't have proper arguments, I see. Plastic layer on top o... moreTruth is uncomfortable when you're wrong.
How you interpret the screen architecture is your prerogative. After all, flat-earthers still exist.
The Z Flip is the first folding phone with UTG in the display. And that is an upgrade over first-gen all-polymer folding displays.
That's the point of Samsung's marketing. It's not Samsung's job to teach you basic comprehension.
Scram, 18 Feb 2020You would not ask that question if you watched the second YouTube video in the article.
Gal... morePassive aggressive insults when you don't have proper arguments, I see. Plastic layer on top of glass still makes it a plastic screen because that is the part you interact with. With all the marketing they give you the impression that you have an actual glass surface.
Do you get it now?
Pabliell, 18 Feb 2020All I see in your post are excuses, but let's reply to them anyway.
Firstly, if there's a pla... moreYou admit you haven't used a folding phone, yet you make this factually untrue statement with shocking ease:
"Firstly, if there's a plastic layer on top, the experience will be (at best) like with a plastic screen protector. It scratches like plastic, it's not smooth enough, generally not good experience."
How can you say with confidence that having plastic on UTG is "generally not good experience" when you haven't ever used a folding phone? A regular phone with a plastic screen protector on glass is still substantially better from a UX standpoint than a phone with a display made solely of polymer.
Again, everyone who's used a folding phone knows this which is why reviewers in their initial hands-on had good things to say about the tactility of the Z Flip's screen vs the Fold's or Razr's.
Confirming you have a penchant for pulling statements out of your behind without any real-word usage experience means it's a waste of my time to reply your other points.
Lastly, what you call excuses are real-word reasons. I have more confidence in the tens of thousands of engineers and experts at Samsung and sub-contractors than on on a random commenter who has never used a folding phone.
You have to seat behind a Porsche to appreciate its much-touted driving experience, behind a Koenisegg to appreciate its sheer raw power, and behind a Tesla to appreciate its outer-worldly acceleration.
The mechanics and technicalities, much less the usage experience of a folding display is not in your wheelhouse. You don't have to muddy the discussions by shoehorning ignorant postulations. Take a step back and let the informed users do the talking. Maybe you'd learn something.
Scram, 18 Feb 2020For starters, the touch and scrolling experience is much better. Rather than the rubbery, stre... moreAll I see in your post are excuses, but let's reply to them anyway.
Firstly, if there's a plastic layer on top, the experience will be (at best) like with a plastic screen protector. It scratches like plastic, it's not smooth enough, generally not good experience.
Secondly, since the screen is bend, the crease will still form and it's clearly visible on every review.
Thirdly, that's a possibility, but not in any way changing the user experience with "Gen 2".
And I'm positive the marketing departament can make a dozen more excuses.
Yes, I've never used a foldable phone, but also I never claimed myself an expert. From a consumer point, there's no reason to ever use glass if it doesn't improve scratch resistance. So as of now, the UTG is simply a marketing, nothing else.
Anonymous, 18 Feb 2020It's not pre-applied -- it's integral. The difference between a pre-applied layer of plastic a... moreSemantics.
'Pre-applied' or 'Integral', Samsung obviously realized having an ULTRA THIN glass be the sole material separating you from the delicate folding display is a disaster waiting to happen.
The most realistic and economical option is to beef it up with plastic.
Hell your $150 phone has a glass that is ~1mm thick. UTG is only 0.12mm thick. That's approximately 1/10th the thickness of the average smartphone display glass.
Why would anyone with a working brain have a problem understanding why Samsung thought not to use just the UTG as the Flip's screen?
Nothing has been more disappointing in the past few years in the mobile phone community as this fiasco.
Anonymous, 18 Feb 2020Weird putting glass behind a plastic.Are you a materials scientist or engineer with specialized expertise in folding displays?
Science can be "weird". The very concept of folding displays is "weird." Some even go as far as calling it "ridiculous," "stupid," and "unnecessary."
The disappointing fact is that you aren't even part of the target market. As such, your opinion should be more measured.
This inflated sense of self-importance that drives your ilk to state strong opinions on concepts they do not understand is quite frankly nauseating. It ranks up there with the "I don't like X feature," so anyone who likes it has issues.
Anonymous, 17 Feb 2020Duh.. The glass is behind the plastic.. They just scratched the pre-applied plastic protector.... moreIt's not pre-applied -- it's integral. The difference between a pre-applied layer of plastic and an integral one is the former can be removed and replaced with a protector of your choice and the latter cannot.
Pabliell, 18 Feb 2020So what's the actual point in using UTG? If the top layer is still plastic it won't help at al... moreFor starters, the touch and scrolling experience is much better. Rather than the rubbery, stretchy feel with solely polymer screens.
Secondly, UTG has less warp with continued usage than polymer. A huge point for durability.
Thirdly, as a Gen II foldable, designers would want to try out a UTG with polymer to gauge real life usage before checking if a dual UTG layer is plausible. The latter may make sense in the lab, but a phased approach may be the best course of action.
And I'm positive there are at least half a dozen other technical reasons neither of us are privy to.
Interestingly, I can bet my hat you haven't used a Fold, so you realistically can't tell if or why a UTG+Polymer combo is an upgrade. And that wouldn't be a problem if you weren't trying to pass off as a faux expert on folding displays.
AnonD-908380, 18 Feb 2020"We made a leap. From polymer screens to ultra thin glass"
-Galaxy Z Flip: Official Introdu... moreYou would not ask that question if you watched the second YouTube video in the article.
Galaxy Fold: No UTG in the display!
Galaxy Z Flip: UTG in the display!
That is a leap. Until the Flip, no foldable phone had used the UTG.
Do you have trouble understanding the English language?
No wonder Donald Duck wanna force ban on Huawei.
The other bigger companies are simply sucky in terms of technological breakthru and no way to go past Huawei.
Scram, 18 Feb 2020You made an untrue statement.
And your response to me setting the record straight is to vee... more"We made a leap. From polymer screens to ultra thin glass"
-Galaxy Z Flip: Official Introduction video
Still think calling this GLASS is valid? This is blatantly false advertising. They should have called it a polymer screen with an ultra thin glass core. You probably call lies "half truths" aswell LUL.