Note10PlusIsBoss, 09 Apr 2020You feel rejected we laugh at that Like the youtube commenters who laughed at you when you ALSO tried to troll them on the Pixel 4.I know who you are.Have fun with your dim display Note 10+
--voltaire9, 09 Apr 2020Wow,4th grade comeback. Way to go!You feel rejected we laugh at that
Note10PlusIsBoss, 07 Apr 2020Not worth 2 dollarsWow,4th grade comeback.
Way to go!
Anonymous, 08 Apr 2020Why not adapt LG's kind of silly 'hand vein' mapping with 3D face unlock tech - 3D structure m... moreTechnically, the LG's PalmSecure system use the same sensors as 3D facial recognition (IR Camera and ToF sensor), both can be implemented in parallel and for added security they can be combined (first you scan one then the other).
But as why it isn't implemented, this is the same reason why regular 3D facial recognition and Qualcomm's 3D Sonic Max (or equivalent) isn't implemented while largely superior to other options :
Because of the teardrop notch and puke hole trend, they don't leave room for any of the required sensors, or you endup like the Huawei P40 family with a humongous huge and ugly large hope, or the Huawei Muate 30 with his way too large notch which is killing notification and statut icon...
It require either :
*A thin top bezel, which are rare nowaday, and even when a phone have it, they don't necessarily have advanced sensors like IR Camera or ToF sensors or Dot Projector matrix, puke hole and teardrop notch are to blame for that as they began a trend where everything but the selfie camera is removed, the Meizu 16 family is a great example of how even regular and good performing ambiant light and proximity sensors have been forgotten in favor if hidden, tiny and ineffective equivalents (probably also more expensive).
*A pop up, but the only one smart enough to put more than a camera on their notch was Oppo with the original Find X though it is a slider/pop up hybrid, every other pop up had only camera(s) and maybe a floodlight but nothing else, a total waste of potential, as the mechanism space would be way more justified with more sensors on the pop up module, and it is even more rare than top bezel on modern phones...
*Hybrid pop up/slider like the Find X who have 3D facial recognition or the Samsung Galaxy A80 who have a ToF sensor but who doesn't even use it for 3D facial recognition, and it is even more rare than the pop up anyway, only few Smartphones ever had it.
*A slider phone like the Mi Mix 3, but even this one don't have any 3D facial recognition sensors, only two camera and a floodlight, also a waste of space/potential, making such system that unlike pop up really do have water protection issue (just rain can be a problem) for only the front camera is stupid, and it is also quite rare, rarer than the pop up but less than the hybrid.
*A more special system like the Asus Zenphone 6, but it is basically the only one with this type of system, and it doesn't have any 3D facial recognition capabilities.
*No front sensors at all but instead using the main sensors and a second display in the back to see what you are doing, like the Nubia Z20, but those are as rare as slider phone, and even there none have any 3D Facial recognition capabilities.
*Another possibility would be just all sensors on the back (except a good couple ambiant light and proximity sensors in the front border) and no display, as selfie don't really require a display to begin with to be honest, even better, with ALL those sensors, and with good AI, you could simply take a really advanced picture where you can change focus, zoom and framing along with all the necessary post processing, it would actually make for even better selfies and no compromises, the only issue would be video chatting, but an add on could fix this, imagine a simple mirror that you can simply lift and who allow to use the main/portrait/macro camera (depending on their characteristic, some are better than the other for selfie) on the front.
So yeah, basically you can blame puke hole and teardrop madness for this absence of any real secure system on most modern Android Smartphones.
And well even with those, having the Qualcomm's 3D Sonic Max or an equivalent wouldn't be a luxury but a really nice backup and combined security possibility.
Demongornot, 08 Apr 2020Most modern phones are now using a combination of fingerprint and face unlock for added securi... moreWhy not adapt LG's kind of silly 'hand vein' mapping with 3D face unlock tech - 3D structure must match as well as the patterning of veins beneath.
DMX, 07 Apr 2020If you really had it, you doubted it, then you don't know what you're talking about ... haters !!That's a fanboy bs and we both know it. I also used to had all previous Pixels and Nexus 6P as well. Pixel 4 has the worst battery life of all of them and certainly the worst battery life among 2019 flagship smartphones. That's an epic failure, Google! I predict the worst sales of this phone among all Pixel phones. Even fans lost interest to it.
Anonymous, 07 Apr 2020Just shy of 24 weeks to patch this - shows you where their priorities are...It is not a priority and I am still leaving mine to face unlock regardless of my eyes being open or shut! If it is such a worry for you, perhaps be careful of the people you are mixing with......!
Anonymous, 07 Apr 2020Most modern phones are now using a combination of fingerprint and face unlock for added securi... moreMost modern phones are now using a combination of fingerprint and face unlock for added security like the Huawei p40 pro.
Apple lacks that extra layer of security coz they omitted out the fingerprint sensor.
Well actually and sadly this is false, because on most (literally almost all) recent Android devices, not only you can't use both at the same time (though it would be really nice for sensitive apps, like bank and such), but more importantly most (here you can count almost all teardrop notch and puke hole Smartphones since they have a single camera) facial recognition is done through :
_A regular camera using regular flat image, which is the least secure biometric identification method, a simple picture can (and have been proved to) unlock the phone.
_A little better are optical fingerprint scanner, underdisplay or not, they can also be fooled with a simple image and the fingerprint tape trick, but it require a little more involved method to unlock the phone that way, so it is more secure, through it have a 1:50,000 chances that someone else can unlock your phone, because not only fingerprint aren't as unique as it is commonly thought, this is an old and debunked myth, but even not perfectly identical ones can be close enough.
_Capacitive fingerprint scanner are a little better, but not by a huge margin and it depend on the scanner itself.
The next better solution are two equally good solutions :
_3D facial recognition to make it secure, usually, like Apple Face ID, it is a combinaison of both Near Infrared Camera and Dot Projector (30,000 on Face ID) mapping the face, this make a detailed 3D construct of the face and a nice map of the details, making it way harder to fool, through a good 3D printed model of an head can still beat it (and it have been done already).
_First generation ultrasonic fingerprint scanner, the Qualcomm 3D Sonic, being able to map in 3D, it is totally immune to the tape method, it is not a huge step up, but already, it also require to build a 3D model of a fingerprint to fool it.
Even better are two more things that aren't yet implemented, but could (should) be :
_New generation ultrasonic fingerprint scanner, being the Qualcomm 3D Sonic Max who not only give advantages of larger scanning area (more practical) but have a 1:1,000,000 chances that someone can match your fingerprint, being highly more secured and reading more precisely, but it have two huge advantages, the waves can penetrate up to 5mm under the skin, which is quite a lot, almost half the finger, so it can read way more informations, including blood, so it can check a real blood (through density) is here and beating, and thanks to its larger area, it can allow 2 finger identification, which exponentially increase security, now it would require a really advanced technique to really fool it, making a fake 3D finger with 3D fingerprint, a flesh like density material and with a blood like density material that flowing in veins like structures in a blood flow and heartbeat fashion...
Faisable, but it would require so much effort that at this point, anyone trying to force unlock your phone simply better force you to unlock it for them...
_New methods for facial 3D scanning, including the new Qualcomm and Trinamix common work which allow from regular IR camera and dot projector matrix to detect living skin cell, meaning it would also require really advanced techniques to fool it...
But it can go even further, you can combine an IR camera with a larger IR spectrum with an IR flash and the same with an UV camera and an UV flash (a simple flash, even often repeated won't cause any harms), as human face on UV have lots of specific details, including damage caused by long term sun exposure, those would be hard to replicate, taking into account sunscreen and make up, it would make the facial recognition way more advanced and secure, if you combine with a powerful AI, learning capabilities (to always get more details of your face AND take into account how your face evolve with time) dedicated coprocessor feed with 2 camera (far enough appart), IR camera + flash, UV camera + flash (both should get image with and without flash BTW), dot projector, and a ToF laser scanner who literally scan a smart part of your face (from randomly selected area that have enough details/complexity to be hard to reproduce), and you get something that would be a hell of a challenge to fool, it would cost a lot and require lots of specialized hardware, here too if there is any need for your phone in particular to be unlocked, there will be more chances someone force you to unlock it rather than doing all that...
Now combine the 3D Sonic Max with all the advanced 3D Face scanning I listed above, and you have one of the most secure device ever, many intelligence agency won't even provide most their employee with something THAT secure.
So either of the two for unlocking (One finger or face scan) and from time to time, rather than the pattern, and for sensitive apps, requiring the full 2 fingers + face.
I'd pay a lot for such phone if it have a privacy friendly feature (pop up camera or all those sensors on the back along with a second display) !
Just shy of 24 weeks to patch this - shows you where their priorities are.
Anonymous, 07 Apr 2020No longer the case, similar performance can be extracted out of 200 dollar devices. 200 dollars devices use google's face recognition code
.. and also don't have a lidar, which the pixel 4 has, making it faster and safer.
the security "risk" was that it works with your eye closed, not that you could otherwise bypass it. basically it checked that its you but not that you're aware its authenticating you. the pixel4 face recognition is otherwise the fastest and possibly the safest version out there together with the iphone...
It works well, but I'm still disappointed it took them so long to get it done
Lefty, 07 Apr 2020This. The Pixel 4 do have it's flaws. The experience of using one is so good which more than m... moreNo longer the case, similar performance can be extracted out of 200 dollar devices.
Shanti Dope, 07 Apr 2020Excuse me, but why the actual f does Sony would stop making phones?
They've been pioneering m... moreWhen did Sony get 90hz?
It's locked to 60hz.
That software based 90hz is gimmick.
acemang, 07 Apr 2020my advice? stop reading reviews and stop looking only for specs, and just try to listen what p... moreI hear what you say, but a bright display can be turned down, a dim display can't be turned up. The battery, c'mon, it's probably my most valid point. If it had a little extra oomph, then you have a device with some longevity. As is, if I wanna turn all the stuff on, the battery is too small. The 4 is even worse. As for camera, I love Pixel cameras, they're great. But a wide angle would have been nice, and you know Google would have had a decent result with the images. Storage, once they got rid of the unlimited backups, it was a problem for me. At the price of these things, it should be a given, particularly when they are marketed as epic photography devices. UI, yeah, I like mine, much prefer it to my partner's Samsung. Size wise, I think the xl is a touch too big, for me. As for those touch free Soli gestures, it isn't for me, and is niche at best. Sadly they are likely going for mid range processing this year, so again, another year where I just don't feel I can jump in. Particularly as the new Xbox hits a month later, and I'll get more use, in terms of years, out of that. I'll probably end up, if I go Pixel, getting the 4XL when prices are rock bottom. At the minute though, my Pixel 2XLnis fine, and produces results similar enough to the 4XL.
--voltaire9, 07 Apr 2020Pixel 4 is at 499.00 on Tmobile sooooo....Not worth 2 dollars
Note10PlusIsBoss, 07 Apr 2020Pixel 4 is so useless it's comical nothing but a bootleg poor man's wannabe iPhone at best def... moreI could've bought an iPhone for what I paid on this Pixel 4 which is so much better than Apple.Yeah,enjoy that idiotic bath tub notch while watching a movie or video.
I stay clear from IOS,it's what's comical and not to mention,outdated.
VectorR, 07 Apr 2020This phone will run out of battery long before someone take advantage of that security flaw :)... moreIf you really had it, you doubted it, then you don't know what you're talking about ... haters !!