Super-high resolution Bayer sensors (not Quad Bayer) like the 64 megapixel sensor of the Galaxy S20 are the future. They allow continuous (!) high quality zooming and high resolution landscape photos. A 52mm equivalent 12 megapixel camera doesn't have the same potential as a 28mm equivalent 64 megapixel Bayer camera.
TheArtist, 07 Apr 2020I have a Nokia 808 Pureview in very good condition. This phone has the largest sensor at 1/1.2... more808 and 1020 do downsampling, they do not do binning.
40 binned to 10 = 10MP of details, size of 10MP photo
40 downsampled to 10 = 40 MP of details, size of 10MP photos
Anders, 07 Apr 2020100% agree. I thought we were done with pointless megapixel race but it's here again. But most... moreUnless you need shutter between 0.25 - 1s, you wont need OIS.
More than 1s is too much for OIS to handle body shaking.
OIS does not help with video, EIS does.
Anders, 07 Apr 2020This is getting stupid now. 192MP is ridiculous. The software is more important. Megapixels on... moreBest professional cameras are the ones with high MP.
24MP FF will never give better photo than a 45MP one.
And the 45MP is weaker than 60MP.
Problem is tests of cellphones are done wrongly. Auto mode should never be used because settings are different.
Also is stupid to test different sensors sizes. Doing 1/2.6" vs 1/1.2" is like doing APSC x FF.
I have a Nokia 808 Pureview in very good condition. This phone has the largest sensor at 1/1.2" and 41 MP Carl Zeiss Optics. Still it takes great looking photos with reasonable size (MB) in full resolution (38 MP 4:3). I Love My Nokia 808 PureView. It takes better photos than most budget and mid range phones having multiple cameras. I also used phones with multiple cameras with 48 MP & 64 MP being the primary sensors using pixel binning technology, I got say I'm not that impressed with the photos taken using these huge megapixels in either binned or full resolution and feel Nokia 808 is still in its own class.
harwey, 07 Apr 2020Manufacturers want to justify their massively overpriced devices...ok Instead of resurrecting... more100% agree. I thought we were done with pointless megapixel race but it's here again. But most of these high megapixel devices don't even have OIS or adequate software to process them properly
harwey, 07 Apr 2020Yep,I'm with ya,mate,but that way they'd be able to say here's why you're paying top $$...Just the hardware of S20 Ultra cost almost $550. Samsung has many in-house stuff, which makes prices lower than other brands may pay for same component.
Then you add :
- cost to bring pieces to another location and import taxes
- software cost
- employees costs
- certifications and licesing of tech
- R/D, marketing, transport of retail devices, import taxes of the devices etc ...
SD865 cost $160. The S20 Ultra screen must be near $90.
If you out the best pieces out there,no OEM will be able to sell for less than $1000.
This is getting stupid now. 192MP is ridiculous. The software is more important. Megapixels on their own are meaningless and that's something we found out years ago (see original Google Pixel)
LG new Chocolate with 192MPx, next month 15.5 new LG smartphone, Next month new 192Mpx with 765G. Only next month LG with this cpu.
Anonymous, 07 Apr 2020Well, they could do a real zoom periscope like Asus Zoom. But is much more expensive. The 1"... moreYep,I'm with ya,mate,but that way they'd be able to say here's why you're paying top $$...
harwey, 07 Apr 2020Manufacturers want to justify their massively overpriced devices...ok
Instead of resurrecting... moreWell, they could do a real zoom periscope like Asus Zoom. But is much more expensive.
The 1" sensor will make phone sacrifice design. Do they want it?
1" is more than 50% larger than 1/1.33" from Samsung. Will the phones have space enough for ultra wide, "telephoto" and ToF?
Bigger sensor = bigger /thicker lenses + more heat + more power used + slower readout + higher manufacturing price(more silicon wasted during process).
Shanti Dope, 07 Apr 2020You don't get my main point right from the start. APS-C or any other large sensor digital cam... moreAgree totally. Makes perfect sense. My cannon with 12 mega pixel takes brilliant shots. I think the phone one for sake of click bait perception numbers is over kill and unnecessary. Imagine the memory eaten up too. When cameras like the Pixel. Apple and H pro 40 take perfectly good shots overall
Manufacturers want to justify their massively overpriced devices...ok
Instead of resurrecting that Pixel race how about:
1" camera sensor
3.0 micron pixel size
20 MP resolution (max)
Proper telephoto lens/real optical zoom 2-3x,no 100x hybrid BS...
..but then,all flagships would cost $2k+...
Shanti Dope, 07 Apr 2020Yeah, but I don't think it's the absolute best camera in the world today, unless I'm really mi... moreEven a compact 1/2.3" can handle cellphones because of the huge lens quality difference.
Few weeks ago I bought a Sony W830.
It is 25-200mm (FF equiv) ...
Anonymous, 07 Apr 2020I didn't know I needed a 196MP camera on my phone until now. Bring it Xiaomi, I know it's you.it must be:-)
Anonymous, 07 Apr 2020Are there any APSC sensors in a compact body of smartphones? Nope.
End of story.
Best camera... moreYou don't get my main point right from the start.
APS-C or any other large sensor digital cameras have larger sensor surface area to make use of higher resolution sensor, but instead of doing so, they'd rather stick with normal bayer 12 to 42 MP sensors and perform basic image processings, and the results are extremely good.
Phones are already limited by the maximum sensor size allowed to fit inside their small bodies, so having even more pixels compressed in a smaller sensor would actually yield even worse results as compared to lower resolution proper digital cameras due to less light being captured by individual pixels.
192MP at 1" sensor surface area? That would mean extremely noisy daylight images even in bright sunlight, or maybe perform extreme noise reduction and take away a large chonk of detail. Let's just not imagine its low light capabilities - it won't even be capable at all in that case.
The simple thing is, we don't need to race to higher megapixel when even proper digital cameras themselves aren't competing for the highest megapixels. I'd take a 2MP sensor that comes close to a proper DSLR quality over a 192MP with vintage camera quality any time of the day.