Samsung video shows the best features of the 108MP ISOCELL HM1 sensor Comments
Nick Tagataka, 23 Apr 2020In that case wouldn't it better if you just place liquid crystal filters of R,G and B on top o... moreAn Even better idea, if it works... In fact it will eliminate any gravity related lighting issues by the liquid chambers!
The thing is however, for the system to be beneficial in the way I suggest, each square sub-pixel must be capable of filtering only R or G or B light at a moment.
And it should act like a filter for existing light from lens, not a source of light, or a lot of obstruction to light.
If they can find a way to make it possible with good quality, then it can happen.
Anonymous, 23 Apr 2020Smartphone and proper cameras do not use the full potential of sensors.
1) processors cant... moreYes, that's a genuine challenge, although things are improving, and they're bound to improve by miles now, with 5um, 3um & 2um (micrometer) engineering just around the corner.
Although, the sensor itself must be smart enough to push an image in 4in1, 3in1, 2in1, and single pixel mode, through its own circuitry... then it will be applicable to any phone processor.
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Amer Rock, 25 Apr 2020Looks like future smartphones will get microscope included on boardA microscope is different from a telescope.
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Mad_Admin, 24 Apr 2020Samsung has shown it's inability to make a proper software, so let's bragging about useless s... moreWhat sony chip are you talking about?
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Mad_Admin, 24 Apr 2020Samsung has shown it's inability to make a proper software, so let's bragging about useless s... moreSony posted that they develop a close partnership with Qualcomm. It's the only sensor maker for SD motherboards with such performance. SS crap in house motherboards will never have performance in their camera departments but only copy-cat-inventions. At least Huawei understood the facts...
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Anonymous, 24 Apr 2020But will still lose to a 12MP bayer. Also Samsung sensors cant get rid of the gap between pi... moreCompare low light video from 12mp Bayer sensor and 108mp nona Bayer in low light, you'll see the advantages. But you have your head up your arse regarding Quad Bayers.
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Anonymous, 23 Apr 2020The 100x from S20 Ultra is digital zoom from the main camera, not from the periscope. It is from the telephoto camera. Wrong info again.
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Samsung has shown it's inability to make a proper software,
so let's bragging about useless sensor hardware.
Moreover, in Exynos models they try to sell Samsung's own shity sensor+processor,
In Snapdragon models they have a proper Sony chip, why is that?
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Anonymous, 23 Apr 2020The 100x from S20 Ultra is digital zoom from the main camera, not from the periscope. It's a digital zoom from the 4x TELEPHOTO camera, obviously. Why the hell would it crop in from the main camera when there's a secondary camera that is far more capable for zooming purpose??
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SLSAHXOHVOMVN, 23 Apr 2020There is visible improvements in low light videos for using nona Bayer over Quad Bayer.
Plus ... moreBut will still lose to a 12MP bayer.
Also Samsung sensors cant get rid of the gap between pixels like exmor imx 686/689 when they merge.
All this is just to boost digital zoom, even without any benefit. The 64MP of S20 at 3x results in 7MP (I read this on a comment on a famous photography website). Result is worse than using a smaller sensor behind a 80mm lenses.
Not counting that Samsung just wanted to throw 8K option too.
I dont like quadbayer sensors, pointless to have 48, 64 or 108 MP of have details of 12MP photo.
20MP 1/1.2" would be much better, by far.
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Anonymous, 23 Apr 2020I don't see any benefit of nonabayer when compared to the same sensor with quadbayer. They are... moreThere is visible improvements in low light videos for using nona Bayer over Quad Bayer.
Plus this is first of its kind on a smartphone, with improving Algorithms for the nona Bayer, don't be surprised if image quality improves after a year.
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ain, 23 Apr 2020exactly. that is for digital zoom. But ultra's periscope has 4x optical magnification, so to a... moreThe 100x from S20 Ultra is digital zoom from the main camera, not from the periscope.
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Anonymous, 23 Apr 20202x zoom , you cut half vertical and half horizontal. So resolution drops to 1/4. 4000 x 30... moreexactly. that is for digital zoom. But ultra's periscope has 4x optical magnification, so to achieve 100x from there the zoom needed is 25x and the image sensor resolution is 48MP, hence the 48/25^2.
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Nick Tagataka, 23 Apr 2020Actually it's 48MP/25^2 = 0.0768MP, but yeah I agree with your point.2x zoom , you cut half vertical and half horizontal. So resolution drops to 1/4.
4000 x 3000 pixels becomes 2000 x 1500
3x zoom = 1/9
5x zoom = 1/25
10x zoom = 1/100
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Anonymous, 23 Apr 2020Asus Zoom had periscope with true zoom.
You cannot use a 1/1.5 for periscope unless you make... moreWhattt...thanks for introducing the Asus Zoom. Kinda not remember it even exist lol. Sadly some review shows their camera software are bad implementation on that Zoom.
Now, back to the periscope on 1/1.5", yes it will be thicker because of the sideways sensor, actually i dont mind if the camera bump at 10mm for that camera tech.
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Anonymous, 23 Apr 2020Of course the 100x digital zoom would be joke. Final result is 108MP/10.000 . That is the MP... moreActually it's 48MP/25^2 = 0.0768MP, but yeah I agree with your point.
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Samath N8 808 owner, 23 Apr 2020IDEA... !! Guys, in future, can we have liquid-fillable pixel chambers instead of fixed colou... moreIn that case wouldn't it better if you just place liquid crystal filters of R,G and B on top of each pixel as you can change the CFA by applying current (or not) to these 3 different filters?
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Anonymous, 23 Apr 2020Because their marketing is misleading. Quad Bayer sensors or Nona Bayer sensors have a differe... moreYes. I saw a video of a photographer tested 20 Ultra against 20+.
He says he does not see any advantage of the 108 over the smaller 64MP used by Plus.
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