This thread seems to know about ultrasonic fingerprint readers... is is true to say the UK Galaxy Note 20 Ultra does not have the 3D Sonic Max fingerprint sensor but has the same (rubbish) sensor my Note 10+ has 😢🙁☹️😞😔 ?
ethereal, 03 May 2020I like it how sony is bringing back the 3.5mm while also keeping the capacitive f/p sensor, by... moreActually it's an optical finger print sensor hence they're able to put the finger print sensor without another on/off button - Bypassing Apple's Patent meanwhile lodging their own.
Draliko, 04 May 2020You're right for the op8 (non pro) the price is simply wrong, but the Op7t now cost south of 5... moreTrue, actually the 7T is the best example of what I said, maybe a slightly less good camera ( probably gets better with software updates), no 5G, but a great phone with much better value for money.
AhmedSLL, 03 May 2020Honestly, I don't know, it's the price that doesn't make sense, you can get much better value ... moreYou're right for the op8 (non pro) the price is simply wrong, but the Op7t now cost south of 500 € and for that money is a good phone, when I was looking for a midtier phone with decent camera around 500€ not much is available, if you have any suggestion I'm open to evaluate anything except huawei, I can't stand emui
Draliko, 03 May 2020And what you believe guys are the alternatives to OP? What phone in their price range has OIS ... moreHonestly, I don't know, it's the price that doesn't make sense, you can get much better value at a lower price with slightly less good cameras otherwise you need to go up in the price. My personal opinion is once your at 700$ you are in premium flagship territory, so I think better to add that 150$ or even 200$ for the Pro model which is much better.
ethereal, 03 May 2020I like it how sony is bringing back the 3.5mm while also keeping the capacitive f/p sensor, by... moreDon't forget it is 4K display with motion-blur reduction tech to get 90Hz equivalent smoothness.
draliko, 03 May 2020and mi10 cost like the double outside of china, here mi 10 (non pro) is 900€ totally not worthIt's too soon to buy a 5G phone, all are overpriced out of China or India. Unless you want something like MI 10 Youth. The best to choose are P30 Pro, S10+, Mi Note 10, etc. You don't need to have OIS to be better than OnePlus 8 in photography. Honor 30 Pro is a great example and a lot better in that department costing less than the overpriced OnePlus 8. In fact sure that the Honor 30 Pro and Pro + are better than the OnePlus 8 Pro in photography.
For a mid ranger i'll wait for the Mi Note 11, and in flagships, simply take patience to the big drop in prices after several months, maybe november, at least.
J. , 03 May 2020Are u kidding? Realme x50 pro and Mi 10 are better for sure, if you want other so Meizu 17 and... moreand mi10 cost like the double outside of china, here mi 10 (non pro) is 900€ totally not worth
J. , 03 May 2020Are u kidding? Realme x50 pro and Mi 10 are better for sure, if you want other so Meizu 17 and... morex50 pro doesn't even have OIS, and meizu is simply unavaiable to half the world and still has a really bad os, flyme is still a joke
Draliko, 03 May 2020And what you believe guys are the alternatives to OP? What phone in their price range has OIS ... moreAre u kidding? Realme x50 pro and Mi 10 are better for sure, if you want other so Meizu 17 and 17 pro is nearly to be launched and specs are better.
And what you believe guys are the alternatives to OP? What phone in their price range has OIS and a decent camera? Which has a nice design and a snappy os? I've scouted around for a new phone but i still can't seem to find something that egual OP, Realme get close but camera is way worse, xiaomi miui is a joke and they're quite ugly for me (mi10 series), i'm not saying OP is the best, i'm sincerely looking for alternatives, but i can't find any
Anonymous, 03 May 2020Samsung's in-display scanners (optical and "ultrasonic") are worse then first gen touch-id...Ultrasonic Fingerprint scanner are by far the best possible fingerprint reading technology solution, here is a copy/paste of another answer I did on the matter to explain it :
Now lets see what real advantages ultrasonic and 3D reading fingerprint scanner have over optical (visible or IR) and capacitive fingerprint scanners :
*They read in 3D, the issue the 3D Sonic suffered is the same as what an optical one suffer if you take the fingerprint of someone off of a glass or somewhere else, here you need to reproduce it in 3D, which require already more means.
Update making sure this kind of tricks isn't possible anymore is even more efficient with the 3D Sonic Max because it have higher precision.
*This technology can allow for way more resolution than other tech, all smartphone fingerprint have a 50,000 to 1 chances that someone else match your fingerprint enough so he can unlock your phone, the 3D Sonic Max is capable of reducing the odds to 1,000,000 to 1 chances.
*The 3D Sonic Max is able to read a large area, meaning it can read more of your fingerprint at once, making it more secure, but also more convenient, as you don't need to look at where you place your finger, and it is the real first step toward a fullscreen underdisplay fingerprint scanner.
*Also because of the larger area, it allow for authentification using two finger at once, which exponentially increase security.
*The 3D Sonic Max is powerful enough to penetrate 5mm inside the finger, which is almost half a finger, this is good enough to do many things, one of witch is to gather your heartbeat, both being useful as a heart rate monitor and to check there is blood flowing/beating in your finger, making fake finger really hard to fool.
Now lets see what can also be done using AI :
Getting a map of the blood veins, which is, as fingerprint, a really different thing from individuals, being in 3 dimensions, they might be actually more important than the fingerprint itself, though we can only gather so much data, an AI can do an incredible job at finding those.
Ultrasound give the density of the material they bounce off, that's the base of medical ultrasound.
Using this property, we can check that the fingerprint and the finger that goes with it are actually having a density of a human skin and flesh, seriously upgrading the security way past what what optical and capacitive are able to.
Also reading density, we can check that the liquid flowing in the veins have the density of blood.
And last with the density, we can check that the Distal Phalanx density is indeed matching density of bones.
5mm is more than enough to get a precise enough map of the Distal Phalanx, whose shape can be more or less different depend on the person, making it a valid secondary biometric data, making the whole authentification even stronger.
ethereal, 03 May 2020I like it how sony is bringing back the 3.5mm while also keeping the capacitive f/p sensor, by... moreIf the OnePlus 8T (Pro) doesn't have a pop up camera, it will still have basically all the bad design choice...
They are not indeed, and it is for two reasons, first, peoples have the illusion of a fullscreen where there are no borders on the side, technically it is true, but at a cost, and for brands, it allow them to have phone who look great in pictures (not so much in reality) and claim they have 20 bazillion % of usable surface.
Also, when one brand do one thing and it become popular, it quickly can become a trend or even an infection...
Actually ultrasonic fingerprint scanner is the best technology, sadly there is only a single one yet, the 3D Sonic from Qualcomm that the Samsung Galaxy S10, S20 and Note10 have, it has issues, not physically but software, because sound imagery is way harder than a picture or a touch pattern to analyse, but the technology is awesome and super powerful, the next gen sensor 3D Sonic Max should have been included on the Galaxy S20, but surprisingly for everyone, Samsung decided to keep the "old" one that had many issues that were still unresolved at this time...
Ultrasonic fingerprint scanner have the ability to read in 3D making them more secure, but even without 3D, they are still as good as other solutions, now if we talk about the 3D Sonic Max, it is a beast and no other fingerprint scanner come even near of its level of performance.
When the 3D Sonic Max will hit the market with a good software, no one will want optical or capacitive anymore, it is so much better...
I was about to say "look at my next comment where I explain everything about ultrasonic fingerprint scanner", but it got caught on moderator reviewing thing...
Anonymous, 03 May 2020"Useful sensors" had to be added because Apple stupidly removed TouchIDFacial Recognition is a great technology, it is extremely convenient to unlock the phone by just pressing a button or lifting it, when I can, I unlock my phone through facial recognition.
But it is not a secured thing, 3D facial recognition is really secure though, outside lab conditions, it is almost impossible to force.
Why they removed Touch ID ? If I had to guess, it is for having fullscreen display, the iPhone X was designed at a period where people hated a lot the idea of underdisplay fingerprint scanner, the same people hate 3D facial recognition and pop up camera system BTW.
If people were not haters of great innovations, the iPhone X would have been fullscreen with an underdisplay fingerprint scanner.
But there is something important that most peoples seem to not realize, having a new biometric system shouldn't be a reason to remove the previous one, not only having two give a backup, Pixel 4(XL) know that too well, it give choice for those who prefer one over the other, but also, if you use both at once, it make an exponentially more secure unlocking system.
What the iPhone X should have been was how it is now but with an underdisplay fingerprint scanner and a notch (with 3D facial recognition) where the display on the side is only monochrome (B&W) and where status icons are the only thing that have access to it and who should have been displayed on two lines to keep lot of space for all the status icons...That way peoples wouldn't have seen the Apple notch as a dent on the display, but how it is really, an evolved bezel with display on its sides, it would have lost the fulldisplay effect, but it would have been better.
There is no superior option between fingerprint scanner (fingerprint aren't unique anyway) and 3D facial recognition, the only superior option is having both.
Thankfully there are rumors saying that Apple want to put an underdisplay ultrasonic fingerprint scanner on their next iPhone !
AhmedSLL, 03 May 2020I was talking display quality not design, some love the punchole and some have no problem with... moreOh, I see, well, with the OnePlus 8 Pro having big display issue...
Anyway I don't know, I didn't experienced those display to know which one is better.
I don't think anyone actually prefer punch hole or notch over fulldisplay, most just prefer them over having a bezel, I prefer having a notch with 3D Facial recognition sensor over a punch hole with only a single camera, but I prefer a bezel over a notch, and I prefer a pop up + fulldisplay over a bezel.
Curved edge display have so much drawback, peoples only like them because of how it look (I don't), they don't care, and I think most simply don't realize how much issues those cause.
NotAnOpinion, 03 May 2020It seems with all the Xiaomi very embarrassing, dishonorable and extreme business destruction ... moreThese issues are happening at extremely low level of brightness, levels that most ppl don't operate the phone at.
They'll fix it with another update soon.
Display Mate never came across these issues since they didn't use the phone at such a lower brightness levels.
If it's a hardware problem, Then why is Oppo Find X2 Pro with the Same display hardware not having these issues?