AnonD-754814, 05 May 2020The 2 telephoto camera definitely gives the Xiaomi an advantage but I was referring to the poi... moreP30 Pro uses super res zoom to maintain a good image quality up to 3x where it starts fusing outputs from the telephoto and the main camera unlike S20 Ultra that only does image fusion (and below 4x zoom it looks pretty terrible with fusion artifacts), so I guess that really hurt S20U's zoom score. I believe they see the overall quality of the photo throughout the available zoom range instead of just inspecting pure image quality from the telephoto lens.
Anonymous, 06 May 2020"Huawei compensated for 25% smaller surface with more aggressive HDR, better noise reduction &... more"Better HDR"
That's up to the software processing since the sensor's raw dynamic range is heavily affected by the pixel pitch therefore is theoretically the same on IMX568 and IMX616 in all but extreme low light condition.
"better noise and artifacts control"
That's software processing as well.
"natural depth of field"
But that makes the main camera less suitable for the group selfie. It's unfortunate that they don't test the wide angle lens for the selfie camera, I strongly think they SHOULD include it in the protocol as well, but it is what it is.
"superior portrait mode"
"Better images in low light with/without flash"
"Video capabilities are also better"
Proof? I'd like to see one.
"So, stop defending Huawei blindly"
You should remember that you're talking to a guy who came here and posted a comment to praise SAMSUNG's selfie camera performance lol. I'm only comparing P40 Pro to Zenfone 6Z because you're the one who was bringing up those two devices in the first place. I'm happy to discuss how S20 Ultra puts up a fight against Zenfone if that's what you want.
Nick Tagataka, 05 May 2020Screen flash on most phones are very effective and is bright enough to fully illuminate your f... more"Huawei compensated for 25% smaller surface with more aggressive HDR, better noise reduction & artifacts control, deeper depth of field (though this one comes naturally from smaller sensor), more optimised processing when using flash and more precise edge detection with portrait mode"
>>The IMX 586 in Zenfone 6z like others (OnePlus 7t) is ahead in every department you mentioned above.
Better HDR, better noise and artifacts control, natural depth of field (1/2" sensor F/1.8 will naturally gives better background blur compared to 1/2.8" sensor F/2.2),, superior portrait mode.
Better images in low light with/without flash, Ultrawide to fit more people in the selfies.
Video capabilities are also better than p40 pro selfie camera.
So, stop defending Huawei blindly.
It's clear, DxOMark is rigged.
Nick Tagataka, 05 May 2020They probably decided not to give a high zoom score to the device that skimps on medium range ... moreThe 2 telephoto camera definitely gives the Xiaomi an advantage but I was referring to the point where P40 pro gets 115 and Xiaomi 110. Samsung slightly worse could get at least 105 points because the lens takes much better images than P30 pro and p30 pro got 95 for zoom.
But giving it 88 points clearly questions about their clarity.
[deleted post]I spent a lot of time to resolve your misunderstanding yet it's clear that you couldn't appreciate it and rather decided to attack me because I didn't agree with your opinion. If you can't have a civil discussion then how about just get the hell out of my face so that I won't have to bother you anymore.
Selfie camera scored higher than the rear main camera? Something's not right here.
Anonymous, 05 May 2020No poor software processing there.
The camera performance was on par with OnePlus 7t.
Are ... moreScreen flash on most phones are very effective and is bright enough to fully illuminate your face. And again, if the software processing is not doing an enough job to properly adjust exposure, reduce red eye effect as well as to render details clearly and cancel out noise, then it won't automatically receive an extremely high mark just because it has a dedicated LED flash. Also DxOMark doesn't even test the ultra wide angle camera on a selfie camera, and slow motion? Seriously?
"Are you telling me p40 pro selfie camera clicks better images than the main Camera on last year's flagships sensors"
More like P40 Pro's selfie camera is "better suited" for selfie than Zenfone's main camera. Huawei compensated for 25% smaller surface with more aggressive HDR, better noise reduction & artifacts control, deeper depth of field (though this one comes naturally from smaller sensor), more optimised processing when using flash and more precise edge detection with portrait mode. It does lose out in texture which is understandable since its effective resolution is only 8MP vs Zenfone's 12MP, but in other criteria performed better. You do know that having a slightly larger sensor doesn't mean it's a better camera right? So how much more explanation do you want?
Nick Tagataka, 05 May 2020Zenfone 6Z's main sensor is only 33% larger than the one used on P40 Pro's selfie camera, so m... moreNo poor software processing there.
The camera performance was on par with OnePlus 7t.
Are you telling me p40 pro selfie camera clicks better images than the main Camera on last year's flagships sensors?
Not to forget the fully illuminated flash, slow motion recording, proper Ultrawide, better autofocus technology, etc.
DXOMARK should just rename their website to CHINAMARK because there is decidedly a bias towards Chinese brands on that website. I didn't know if from other sources, before I realized it myself. I went there thinking that hey I should really check out Dxomark cause I never did, and as I spent time there I realized that the table is titled by quite a bit. There is an infusion of Chinese brands in their top charts, and every time a Korean or US brand is compared, it is always compared against one of the Chinese handsets side by side, never US vs US brand etc. Add to that the fact that their "final" scores aren't an average of the total sub-scores and that they never quite explain how they reach that final number, and it becomes very hard to trust Dxomark and look at their methods objectively.
Anonymous, 05 May 2020Exactly, It's all garbage. How does p40 pro get best selfie score over Zenfone 6z which uses ... moreZenfone 6Z's main sensor is only 33% larger than the one used on P40 Pro's selfie camera, so most likely the poor software dragged down the score and made it an overall worse performer.
AnonD-754814, 05 May 2020Many people do not. Specially when DxOMARK gives Xiaomi a 110 marks for 3x 8MP telephoto OTO... moreThey probably decided not to give a high zoom score to the device that skimps on medium range digital zoom quality (= roughly around 3x I assume), where Mi 10 Pro and P40 series will do a decent job thanks to the use of dual telephoto lenses/super res image processing/both.
AnonD-754814, 05 May 2020Many people do not. Specially when DxOMARK gives Xiaomi a 110 marks for 3x 8MP telephoto OTO... moreNot to mention the S20 ultra completely destroys the find x2 pro in tech chap review and others,and it can't even be compared with the mate 30 pro of last year but that's somehow higher? People distrust dxomark what I hate is when a phone they don't like gets ranked low they start lol that's true so they only trust dxo when it agrees with them?
Requesting the editorial team to not give much importance to DxO Mark for assessing image and video qualities of cameras.
AnonD-754814, 05 May 2020Many people do not.
Specially when DxOMARK gives Xiaomi a 110 marks for 3x 8MP telephoto OTO... moreExactly, It's all garbage.
How does p40 pro get best selfie score over Zenfone 6z which uses the back camera as front camera complete with super slow motion recording, imx 586 and proper Ultrawide camera with flash?
The Galaxy are generally very good in front sensor ... But DxO, take these influencers as a reference with their note algorithms completely fart that Some manufacturers have started to align their devices on that just to have the best notes and large media coverage and sell a lot.
Dxomark is a shame