Abhi-Darth-Plagueis, 23 May 2020Forgive me for not agreeing with 'its easy' argument. Because if it was, why did, Xiaomi, LG, ... moreYou're confusing chip architecture with chip manufacturing. Samsung admitted defeat for their Mongoose architecture but they still manufacture chips. Xiaomi was fab-less and only ever did one low-end design. LG, I don't know about them. Did they really have their own designs or they were just manufacturing chips for other companies?
And well, I did mention that you need to recruit skilled engineers. But for the ARM situation, it seems this is a non-issue: https://www.gsmarena.com/arm_will_work_with_huawei_again_technology_uk_origin-news-39827.php
So far, I can't see any reason why the UK or Japan would do that. You can dislike China while still making business with them. It would be very foolish to think everyone will ditch China companies overnight. It would take decades while heavily investing in local manufacturing and trying to convince people to pay more for their things.
But if they were to just ban any interaction with China, Huawei and any Chinese company could easily "steal" the IPs and use them domestically without paying royalties. And good luck prosecuting someone in China if you're an outsider! With a 1G+ domestic market, I doubt Huawei would greatly suffer from using free IP...
And in the end, sure the USA has quite a chip architecture dominance, along with its close allies (UK, Israel), but as with any other technology, it's not confined to a single geographical region. Anyone, anywhere in the world could come up with a new solution with enough intelligence, knowledge and resources. Pretty sure there's a fair bit of smart and educated people in China...
Utopian, 22 May 2020if trump have guts , ban the selling of os & chipsets to all the chinese based companies, ... moreOf course, they can! You act like China has been the world's factory for hundreds of years instead of a decade or two lol. The only reason the U.S. globalist businessmen even went there in the first place was to maximize their profits. And just because Huawei is ostracized and blacklisted doesn't necessarily mean that the same thing will happen to other Chinese companies.
Anonymous, 22 May 2020Just because company buys and uses other companies components doesn't mean they can't produce ... moreGreat, so we agree that its not possible for huawei in 'this generation,' correct? But even here, don't you think a whole generation (or a century as you implied) is admittedly a long, long time to invent something in an area where new products and successors are announced every 6 months - 1 year?
Also, lets believe we can reach stars very soon, shall we? because belief alone can change everything?
Anonymous, 22 May 2020I bet you like reinventing the wheel too, huh?Its not me, its huawei saying they want to
AnonD-558092, 22 May 2020It's easy. It's just expensive. With finding a suitable terrain for the factory, securing deal... moreForgive me for not agreeing with 'its easy' argument. Because if it was, why did, Xiaomi, LG, and Samsung shutdown their own chip-manufacturing efforts? Cost is a factor, i agree but not everything can be solved by throwing money at it. Samsung invested billions in mongoose architecture designs, yet acknowledged defeat in the end. Apple is one of the top super-rich companies in the world, yet until Jim Keller came aboard, their chip dominance did not happen. You really need talent and know-how to navigate these messy stuff regarding semiconductor chips. Otherwise Chinese might not be blamed for repeated offences of stealing technology.
And why did I bring Stock ARM designs in it?
Because if Huawei truly want independence from USA controlled eco-system, it eventually will have to move away from ARM, because as i remember, ARM too, had once agreed to suspend license its designs to huawei. They're tightly coupled: USA, Britain, Japan. And if current Anti-China sentiment in UK and elsewhere in the world is any indication, lawmakers can very well push ARM to suspend it once again, then Huawei will need to not only 'manufacture' the chips, but 'design' the arch as well.
So, If they can't make a custom one based on 'existing' ARM instruction sets, I highly doubt they can make something competent from ground up.
I'm no fan of USA crying 'cyber espionage'. that's blatant hypocrisy, but if they 'are' using semiconductors to pressure china, they must know, at some level, that its because no-one can match them in this business, don't you think?
Anonymous, 22 May 2020"They have cheap labour and factories but that's it! They are not investing money in researchi... moreClearly most people here are stuck on the 70's - The US is the greatest there is, with its unbeatable american dream! - Meanwhile, the rest of the world caught up, more or less.
China is indeed just as technologically strong at this moment, if not stronger in some areas.
NotAnOpinion, 22 May 2020Single business that collapse the US/GLOBAL economy?!
Give me dome of that you're smoking!
... moreListen here Capitain America McburgerFatty, I wasn't saying a divide like this between the US and China would cause a world collapse along with an apocalypse followed by the instant shrink of the universe.
Say what you will, the US WILL also come out of this scarred. People talk a lot about "replacing chinese products", but good luck turning that into reality.
Anonymous, 22 May 2020These phones getting updates up to 5 yers unlike android phones 2 years.You can have 10 years of updates with 5 phones trough out 10 years for the same money that you get 1 iphone.
Like phones stop working when they dont get updated. I dont buy me a phone just cause it gets updates and i know a lot of people who never update there iphones even. As long as phone dont force updates on them they dont do it.
How is that you people cant come up with something better for a argument '? And never mind that your commenting me out of point i was making. While i comment a guy who says cheap phones by LG, Sony, Nokia and even Apple and i ask for the what is the cheap phones he's talking about and you come here to say it has 5 years of updates like it's the only thing the phone is useful
Anonymous, 22 May 2020These phones getting updates up to 5 yers unlike android phones 2 years.Even my iPhone 7 plus got ios 13.4 update remember this phone came with Galaxy S8, Huawei P10 Plus and Oneplus 3T and none of these got Android 10 Update.
Nick.B, 22 May 2020Huawei will start make their own chips not only for the top tier phones they produced. And els... moreHuawei won't be able to produce any phones which can be sold internationally. They are dependent on ARM & TSMC for chips.
Anonymous, 22 May 2020China already has full knowledge of everything happening in american factories located in Chin... moreWell yes, but there is a difference between knowing what or how someone do something and owing their production lines.
I know, I actually even often said that we are seeing basically the beginning of a new cold war between the two countries...
For the rest, this is too complicated as there are tons of variables, we would need to really put everything into perspective, sometime the smallest thing that look totally irrelevant can have a gigantic impact, one country could force the other to kneel with a single sentence if they play well their cards, so the outcome is almost unpredictable as it also depend on decisions of peoples that themselves are influences by other peoples we don't even know they exist...
So I won't speculate which one could win or loose here.
The complete foolishness of comments on here, without any facts to back-up their unbelievable lies and unprecedented hatred for Apple, etc., sometimes, it is best to emjoy the "ignorant show" from over there.
You know, from right there! ;-)
andrehe, 22 May 2020The trade war is a distraction from both sides to throw sand into the eyes of the public. Trum... moreBut a plant based diet isn't healthy and some plants used to replace the meat are very expensive.
Huawei will start make their own chips not only for the top tier phones they produced. And else actions needed to skip the US ban. And yes the outcome will be catastrophic for US tech insdustry around 5G, 4G 5G equipment, network, and mobile phone tech as well, why not even Laptops and Tablets in let's say 3-4 years time when things get serious in Huawei separation
The trade war is a distraction from both sides to throw sand into the eyes of the public. Trump wants to cover his failure in containing the pandemic: "Corona is Fake News", "disinfectant or UV light inside body helps", "cloroquin helps", "virus comes from Chinese laboratory". On the other hand, after SARS (2003) China opened wild animal markets again. They knew about the danger and have not learned from experience. Without humans near wild animals several epidemics could have been avoided, including SARS-CoV-2 (2019), sparing right-wing populists like Trump and Bolsonaro to uncover their lying scheme. Global warming cannot be denied, and a spreading virus neither. People start taking note of the performance of their leaders. We need an international treaty to keep humans distant from animals to avoid more severe problems. A plant-based diet helps and is necessary to stop global warming anyway. Win-win.
Jabe, 22 May 2020You have to update your information, google and Apple have cheap phones. + LG, Sony,Nokia ... ... moreShow me a cheap phone from Apple and Google as these are only somewhat USA companies. LG, Sony, Nokia and others are not USA companies and well they dont sell phones cheap as well. If you based the value of a phone based on the fact that it have over 6 inch screen and price is under 150 dollars then it's value for the product and is cheap then you dont know about technology. These the most low end these LG, Sony and Nokia sell is still 2-3 times more on cost then same hardware from some random China phone makers.
And back to Apple and Google phones. 550 euro for iphone 2020 SE is not cheap. Google pixel dont sell in every market in Europe and they are not cheap too as they still over 400-500 euro.
And dont say that you can get iphone 6 or 7 under 300 euro and call it a cheap price. These phones are so old that nobody care about them anymore. It's not new technology and if iphone 7 still cost 300 euro and it's insane expensive for 4 years old technology. You dont buy your self a new out of the box phone on android flagship that is 4 years old cause it does not make sense and these probably be under 200 euro too.
From China phones like Xiaomi you already get a good phone that is just released and cost around 150-200 euro. For the price of Iphone SE 2020 you get SD865 chip phones that have all other features up to date too.
all phones under 350 euro can be said cheap. If they already are over that price then they are not cheap and mostly known brand like LG, Sony, Nokia, Samsung and so on you get middle class hardware that are in the phones that cost up to 250 euro. 600 euro China flagship phones have same hardware then these mentioned brands cost 800-1200 euro
Anon, 22 May 2020Cant wait to see a day when Chinese phone manufacturers withdraw from US market and US custom... moreYou have to update your information, google and Apple have cheap phones. + LG, Sony,Nokia ... and others.