I don't know. I'm sick of most phones right now.
The past few years have been nothing but the entire phone market being like Apple. Little to no upgrades except cpu. Or a hardly anything besides a few features. Cameras have barely progressed.
The only thing progressing are the prices going up and up and more comprises despite the price increase.
And then if there is even a phone that finally seems worth it I can't get it on an installment or you can hardly ever get it on Verizon >:(
Namelesss, 24 May 2020The only reason why I'll buy a phone for $1000 is if Android OEMs shift to at least 4 years of... moreI couldnt care less about software updates and new android version... only if the device works with out flaws. I can live with one patch a year.
Considering i buy the next flagship from the same manufacturer, every year, it depends on the manufacturer how much i will need to spend. OnePlus...
I bought an almost new pixel 2xl for 100£. It will get android 11 cannstill go another year or 2. The 4a sounds promising too
I have the money to pay over 1000+ euro on a phone. But i will never do that because its a waste. I could buy a galaxy S20 but it has no headphone jack so thats a waste. An S10 for 600 euro.. But why should i buy that when i can pay 375 euro for a LG G8s with a the same specs SD855, good camera, headphone jack (important for me) instead of a lame exynoss with energy issues. I will never buy a phone again more then 600 euro's I will wait a year so that they will drop the price..
Anonymous, 24 May 2020So why isn't the pop up mechanism employing electromagnets now as opposed to motor?
What are ... moreFor Apple, well, I don't really care honestly as I am not an iPhone user, I just hope their next phone bring awesome features that Android brand will get inspired from, here this would be combining 2 (or more) biometric systems !
And for the pop up, well, I'd say the same reason as why the audio jack is being removed despite peoples wanting it...
Why punch holes and notches are on almost every new phones despite peoples hating them...
Why so many phones have curved edge display while a lot of people hate them and they have tons of drawbacks...
Why there isn't more phones with magnetic connectors for USB and Jack...
Why many phones come without wireless charging or even NFC...
Why so many phones have enormous sensor resolution while Sony proved multiple times that a large 12MP sensor with good software is as good.
Why there are so many 5G phones that cost way more (for those requiring additional internal equipment) while so many peoples have no use of them.
Why phones have stupid high hybrid/numerical zoom that give bad quality over optical zoom that except a really slight loss in light have the exact same quality as 1x pictures...
And more and more, because the modern smartphone industry is basically after easy money and they are lazy and because innovation is rare in any industry, everytime something exist, other simply try on improving it until they reach the absolute maximum possible optimisation, and well before that, while it would have been logical to change for something else, they kept going as industries nowaday only know how to copy and keep the existing things and try making it better even if a way better solution exist and can be easily done.
Electromagnetically actuated pop up would be easy to make, you basically make a compartment and rails/guides and put your module on that.
The module have magnets, at least two and the compartment have at least 4, two (one on each side) up and two down, so the module is held in place by simple magnets costing no energy, and you use a simple group of 2 or 4 coils that are short, it doesn't need to be extremely powerful, it only need to be strong enough to win the fight against the magnets that hold the module in place, it would be quite quick so you need upper and lower springs to dampen the module.
The module itself can use a pass through cable or contractors for energy and data for the camera (and other potential sensors).
And voila, it doesn't take more internal space than the pop up module itself and few millimetres around it to place the small magnets and the flat/small coils, it is really fast, have near to no wear (the guides/rails have wear, but we talk about metal on metal that only work as a guide, so really low wear), almost no possible mechanical failure, totally waterproof, super fast actuation...
Note that magnets aren't required here, simple ferromagnetic pieces on the side of the module and a latching mechanism with a self releasing safety past a certain force, but I think magnets are better as they will react more effectively on the electromagnetic fields allowing lesser power consumption and magnets are a really good way to hold something in place without mechanical wear and self releasing safety past a certain force applied.
Add to that a simple safety that if the pop up is forced horizontally, it self retract, as it would be quick, and the system is almost perfect.
Even there, there are tons of possible improvement on that design alone, and it is quite cheap, you have just a box (same material as the phone) with small magnets inside, a cut out that allow this box containing the sensors to be put in the phone, something to guide it and some wire coils, this is probably cheaper than the motor based...
But it require to do prototypes with a minimum of R&D and modern companies aren't much into that...
Majority of these people buy these flag shit phones to "flex". You're buying pro models, do the same thing as everyone one else.
Anonymous, 24 May 2020I didn't pick The 50mp sensor on Huawei as my main coz of the RYYB layout which has its own se... moreOh ok, I see, anyway Samsung making their own omnidirectonal PDAF sensors, it will become a new common feature, so you could find a sensor you like even more than the 689 hopefully ! (I don't think more new phones with this particular sensor will be released sadly).
What are the drawbacks of RYYB ?
I have a mid-range phone from 2015 and I got it in 2016. I'm still using it and it's perfectly working. I don't see a point of having a new phone every 1-2 years.
AnonD-909757, 24 May 2020Yeah, thanks for the info, but I want at least 3D facial recognition (dot projector + IR, not ... moreSo why isn't the pop up mechanism employing electromagnets now as opposed to motor?
What are the constraints?
Namelesss, 24 May 2020The only reason why I'll buy a phone for $1000 is if Android OEMs shift to at least 4 years of... moreApple's long-term software support policy is a giant scam that ppl continue to fall for.
AnonD-909757, 24 May 2020Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well. Nice setup ! About the IMX689, I guess this is b... moreI didn't pick The 50mp sensor on Huawei as my main coz of the RYYB layout which has its own set of issues compared to regular ones.
The only reason why I'll buy a phone for $1000 is if Android OEMs shift to at least 4 years of Android Software Updates.
I'm starting to think about getting an Iphone for Apple's long-term software support policy. I really don't want to spend more than $400 for a phone that'll receive only 2 Android Software Updates, Android OEMs are really screwing their users big time with their $1000+ smartphones and only 2 years of Software Updates
Anonymous, 24 May 2020Money is no bar, just give me a phone with the following camera setup.
*******REAR CAMERA**... moreAh, I see you are a man of culture as well.
Nice setup !
About the IMX689, I guess this is because of omnidirectonal PDAF, if that's the case, I would like to inform you that the IMX700 also share this feature, or at least this is what it seem and is written everywhere, including in the Honor 30 Pro+ datasheet here on GSMArena :
I wouldn't buy any phone that cost more of $400 USD, I learned to buy last year flaship.
Here in Mexico i saw some offers, I bought in late 2017 an HTC 10 for 250 USD.
Nowdays there are deals like Huawei Mate 20 in $250 (5000-6000 MXN) which i would buy or mate 20 pro/p30 in $390 USD. (9500 MxN).
So i prefer this options before a Redmi 8, a Galaxy A50 or even a One action/Vision, the cost of this devices are similar.
400- 500 is max for me
I use a phone for 3+ years
The phone must have a big battery more than anything else this is the biggest ageing piece of any smartphone part the bigger the size the better the ageing
And it must have an LCD display
because I play games (especially emulators citra is now official for 3ds emulation) frequently with static images cant trust OLED under that much pressure over years
People think only 1000 flagships have enough features to handle ageing well
but midrange chips are good enough especially that energy efficiency snowballs exponentially on the lifetime of the battery