Anonymous, 27 May 2020There is no crop. App did not recognize sensor correctly. When you apply digital zoom, t... moreApp did not recognize correctly? Where is your proof? I think what me and gBV are thinking makes perfect sense and its basically a hybrid 3x zoom
Anonymous, 27 May 2020By the way, here's the source https://m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_1_ii_uses_two_sony_sensors_an... moreYes, the total sensor area would be less than 1/4 but that's still better than if the sensor was actually less than 1/4. Digital crop is better than physical sensor crop. Most phones do a digital crop from the main sensir in low light conpared to just using the telephoto because results are better. I agree with you on the distortion correction or maybe they just wanted to call it 12mp to keep the uniformity. Most companies aren't exact and they have mixed definitions anyways.
cheebc, 26 May 2020DXOmark is a jokeNot a joke, i think dxomark review the cameraphone from standpoint of people that doesn't know photography. It's instant camera result without editing process matters
There is no crop.
App did not recognize sensor correctly.
When you apply digital zoom, then start the video recording, it will be using digital.
The quality will drop and no longer be able to keep same resolution. No matter the resolution sensor is.
You can testmon your phones, apply 1,5x digital, then start recording. It will remain cropped with much lower quality.
Also this sensor 20MP isocell is tetracell, using in "bayer" mode would be much worse than bayer 20MP. Sony made clear they do not plan to use quadbayer sensors.
I do not even need to mention that would be fake marketing also pretty stupid to promote 12MP if it was 20.
Anonymous, 27 May 2020It's all good but severely overpriced. Sony needs calm down and have a good look at OnePlus 8 ... moreOverall, the 8 pro is better, but still, the absence of the headphone jack or the presence of those wild curves are a deal breaker.
AngelJaimes, 27 May 2020The Samsung ISOCELL S5K3T2 is 20mp in resolution. https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/image-... moreBy the way, here's the source https://m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_1_ii_uses_two_sony_sensors_and_two_samsung_has_ufs_30_storage-news-42241.php
But as I said this isn't an official source and as I explained this doesn't explain the 12 megapixel resolution. Mathematically it's still contradictory. My only explanation would be that the lens has distortion.
[deleted post]Ok, I have found the source (though it's not an official source). Then the crop factor would be 43.266mm/[0.0008mm x sqrt(5184²+3880²)] = 8.35 and the equivalent focal length (related to the total sensor area) would be 8.35x6.95mm = 58mm. Though then the resolution at 70mm would be (58/70)² x 20 = 13.7 megapixels , so the 12 megapixels wouldn't make sense, if the resolution is really 20 megapixels. It would make sense if it had (70/58)² x 12.2 = 17.8 megapixels
And effective sensor size at 70mm would be smaller than 1/4" type as I said before.
[deleted post]Sorry to inform but the 2021 lineup will be here.
As long other brands keep paying for 4 or 5 cameras, Sony will have money for Xperia. Even more when PS5 comes out in december.
People buy Xperia because they want to, not because they cant afford iphone like costumers of other brands that make iphone copies.
Bring it on, Sony.
It may not become a low light camera champ (curious about their Night Mod though), but as an overall package, Sony did nail it this time! As an ex Sony user, I'm happy to say this 1ii makes me excited again for Sony. Might be returning to it.
Anonymous, 27 May 2020Sony does not have parent company (like Oppo) to get things from and save R&D money. OP8... moreSony is the parent company with plenty of money for R&D. Unfortunately, Sony has a huge product portfolio ranging from hifi systems, gaming consoles, tvs, cameras to movies. It's obviously not prioritising R&D in mobile phones. I'd guess it makes more money in other areas.
Anonymous, 27 May 2020It's all good but severely overpriced. Sony needs calm down and have a good look at OnePlus 8 ... moreSony does not have parent company (like Oppo) to get things from and save R&D money.
OP8 Pro and Find X2 Pro are almost same phone.
Do you think it is cheap to have people from other divisions (Alpha, CineAlta, Music and Pictures) working on the phone?
Sony is giving gifts that cost more than $250. OP8 Pro is 1000 euros, no gift.
Anonymous, 27 May 2020Source? No, 20 megapixels wouldn't make sense. If the 12 megapixels are related to the crop, ... moreThe Samsung ISOCELL S5K3T2 is 20mp in resolution. https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/image-sensor/mobile-image-sensor/
It's all good but severely overpriced. Sony needs calm down and have a good look at OnePlus 8 Pro which is better and cheaper phone indeed.
I can't wait to see your feedback. Do not forget to show us the difference between photo hdr and no hdr, and the sound of the speakers once Dolby Atmos activated, for pro cinema and pro photo it would be cool.
Anonymous, 26 May 2020Resolution of the sensor is 20mp but always cropped at 12mp so its all goodSource?
No, 20 megapixels wouldn't make sense. If the 12 megapixels are related to the crop, then the resolution of the entire 1/3.4" sensor would be 12x (70/60)² = 16.3 megapixels (with a pixel size of approximately 0.9 micrometer).
Furthermore even if the resolution would be 16 megapixels, this doesn't change the issue that the effective sensor area at 70mm would be smaller than the area of a 1/4" type sensor.
Anonymous, 27 May 2020Let me put my words here before any review comes out: This phone is not built with good enoug... moreWhat are you talking about? Since XZ2 they offered 5fps full resolution and image processing on burst shots. Their predictive capture is again full resolution completely processed images unlike Google Pixel or iPhone which give you more images but at half resolution. Starting with Xperia 1 they offer AF/AE at 10fps on main sensor fully processed. With II you get that on all sensors or you get double that on the main sensor if you half press the shutter and then burst. Again all processed images.
Anonymous, 27 May 2020Let me put my words here before any review comes out:
This phone is not built with good enoug... moreNot good hardware?
Ultra Wide uses imx363. Same camera of Pixel 4.
Imx555 (Samsung) and imx557 (Sony) are more advanced than other. Being smaller does not make them worse. Isocell HM1 has 2x the size of 555, but does not perform better woth same software applied.
If Sony and Samsung sell 300MP 1/1.3" sensors, the chinese brands will buy. That is why both make them.
Funny to see the 1/1.5" ultra wide of Mate 30 Pro performs worse than 1/3.4" of Xperia 1 and Iphone 11 Pro, despite being 3x the size.