Sony Xperia 1 II in for review Comments
- Anonymous
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Android Master, 29 May 2020Do you know why the Huawei p40 pro upscales 9.x Megapixel images to 12Mp?
50mp Quad Bayer out... moreThe P40 Pro has a 23mm equivalent camera, but the default 1.0x setting takes photos at 27mm. So Huawei crops 12.5 megapixel photos in order to get a 27mm field of view. 12.5 x (23/27)² = 9.1
Nonetheless this isn't really a lie because Huawei said 23mm + 12 megapixel and as far as I know it's possible to access the total 23mm field of view (but I don't have a P40 Pro).
But if Huawei said 27mm + 12 megapixel, then this would be a lie. And that's what Sony seems to be doing.
- Android Master
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Anonymous, 29 May 2020I just looked at dpreview's new sample images and the 70mm images look upscaled indeed! I thin... moreDo you know why the Huawei p40 pro upscales 9.x Megapixel images to 12Mp?
50mp Quad Bayer outputs 12.5 MP Images naturally. Why is Huawei outputting images that are 9.X MP and upscaling them?
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Anonymous, 29 May 2020Sony's tele camera specs are still a mystery and likely wrong. Due to the 6.95mm focal length ... moreI just looked at dpreview's new sample images and the 70mm images look upscaled indeed! I think it's crazy that apparently Sony really lies about the specifications of their tele camera. Other manufacturers usually use marketing tricks, but they don't lie. For example the Huawei P30 Pro has a 125mm equivalent 8 megapixel camera indeed. It crops it in order to get a 5x27= 135mm field of view with 7 effective megapixels, but 125mm + 8 megapixel is still true (you can access it when you shoot in raw). But Sony's specification 70mm + 12 megapixel is not true. It's a lie.
- Android Master
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Nick Tagataka, 29 May 2020If you don't know what the actual scenes look like and have all phones you want to test side b... moreYes LG has the best manual mode.
LG goes beyond most manufacturers when it comes to giving manual mode.
Manual mode for 8k video recording, manual mode for 240fps slow motion recording, etc.
- Android Master
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Anonymous, 29 May 2020"They stopped investing in gimmicks like 4K".
Are you aware Samsung Display supplies the 4... moreWhere you got the info that it is Samsung display? It's probably LG or BOE like last year.
Proof or STFU
- Nick Tagataka
- gRy
Anonymous, 29 May 2020"They stopped investing in gimmicks like 4K". Are you aware Samsung Display supplies the 4... moreAnd? Samsung is being asked by Sony to make the custom-spec'd panels for them. Without their request Samsung wouldn't have produced it because no manufacturers were using it and would never use it.
- Nick Tagataka
- gRy
Smithravi, 28 May 2020There's nothing subjective about natural colours. Subjective is only about liking those colour... moreIf you don't know what the actual scenes look like and have all phones you want to test side by side then there's no way that you can objectively make a certain claim about the colour accuracy of their cameras. For example, I can make a claim like my P30 generally produces more accurate colours than my S10 does because I have both phones and extensively tested them side by side.
"it still lacks features which Xperia do"
And vice versa.
"I was meant to say over 3 cameras"
Still not quite sure if I understand what you're trying to say correctly but ok.
T-Mobile sells V60 ThinQ at around $800, 2/3rd of the pre-order price of Xperia 1 II, so this obviously makes the lack of some of features this new Xperia has totally justifiable. Besides, LG still has the best microphone + manual audio recording control in video as well as 3.5mm audio output among any smartphones.
You also need to keep it in mind that 21:9 aspect ratio can be both advantage and disadvantage depending on what kind of tasks you do on your phone the most. It can be wonderful for watching movies but at the same time pretty terrible for Youtube videos most of which still use 16:9 aspect ratio.
- Rameyuk
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Android Master, 27 May 2020ROG 2 is a real head turner especially at night when in its full RGB glory.
Used it in the p... moreThat's exactly my point. It's very subjective to the each individual personality. ROG phone is really a head turner. And I can see the appeal for people who really likes the attention. Subjectively speaking, I don't like ROG phone design because of that reason. I don't want a head turner, I'm the kind of person who likes to sit in the corner, minding my own business without attracting attention.
That being said, my current XZ1 is actually a head turner as well. Not because it has a unique design, but because I'm one of the very few people who are actually using Sony phone here in Australia. And it's that rarity that people ask me what phone is it?
It also probably help that I use all OEM accessories like the Style Cover Touch, which I can operate my phone with the covers closed, which mind-blows a lot of my colleagues at work as well as my friends. But I don't see it as that big of a deal. Just a nice convenience.
I'm just sad that the Style Cover Touch no longer works for Xperia 1 II, but I think I can assume why. The style cover touch utilises a passive sensor in the case that feeds haptic data to another sensor at the bottom bezel of the phone. Since Xperia 1 II has a really slim bottom bezel, I can understand why Sony is having trouble attaching that sensor to the phone. So it might be easier to just scrap the touch sensor entirely and call it Style Cover View instead.
It'll be a minor inconvenience for me when I get the 1 II, but it's not a deal breaker.
- Exyvia
- wf5
Android Master, 29 May 2020Samsung is focused on producing displays with the most accurate colors, high refresh rate, low... moreXperia 1 pushed 660 nits which beat Huawei P30 Pro, Xiaomi Mi 9, LG G8 ThinQ and OnePlus 7 Pro.
From GSMArena themselves.
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Android Master, 29 May 2020Samsung is focused on producing displays with the most accurate colors, high refresh rate, low... more"They stopped investing in gimmicks like 4K".
Are you aware Samsung Display supplies the 4K oled to Sony?
- Exyvia
- wf5
Vlad Pitts, 29 May 2020was hoping for at least 5000 mAh so it will be at least bigger than my 11 pro max, I guess I w... moreIf the head phone jack and battery is what you're looking for a mid range can also do the job.
But, you have to justify to yourself what features are you using. If you're not going to use film and photo pro, then the Xperia 1 II isn't for you - paying approx double v60 for something you're not using.
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- LHe
Ultimate Reviewer, 28 May 2020Can people stop repeating that the 4K display is an actual reason to buy this phone. YOU WON"T... moreIf you can see difference between 60Hz and 120Hz then you can definitely see the difference between FHD and 4K. Xperia 1 screen had delta under 0.7 whole year before Oppo X2 Pro and OnePlus 8 Pro.
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was hoping for at least 5000 mAh so it will be at least bigger than my 11 pro max, I guess I will go with the LG Lv60, since they have both headphone jacks...the selling point for me.
- Anonymous
- gBV
Sony's tele camera specs are still a mystery and likely wrong. Due to the 6.95mm focal length in the exif data, the pixel size must be between 0.84 micrometer and 0.88 micrometer, if we assume a resolution between 11.5 and 12.5 megapixels at a 70.0mm full frame equivalent field of view. That's unlikely, Sony doesn't make sensors with such a pixel size as far as I know. So it's likely that you don't get 12 megapixels at 70mm and that you rather get 8.9 megapixels.
Crop factor = 70mm/6.95mm = 10.072
Sensor diagonal at 70mm = 43.267mm / crop factor = 4.296mm
Sensor area at 70mm field of view = Diagonal² x cos(arctan(3/4)) x sin(arctan(3/4)) = 8.86mm²
Pixel size = sqrt(8.86mm² / 12000000) = sqrt(8860000 micrometer² / 12000000) = 0.86 micrometer and if the resolution is 11.5 megapixels instead of 12.0, then sqrt(8860000 micrometer² / 11500000) = 0.877 micrometer
- Anonymous
- gBV
Many people don't understand what the real advantages of a large sensor are. That's understandable because the media don't explain it correctly and many things have changed in the last 10 years.
1. Tone mapping, white balance and the exposure algorithms are responsible for the look of a photo, if a small depth of field isn't important. Sensor size isn't necessarily responsible for the look of a photo.
2. Sensor size doesn't really determine how much light per time can be captured in low-light conditions. A 40mm² sensor + f/2 lens captures about the same amount of light per time as a 20mm² sensor + f/1.4 lens. Conclusion: You don't necessarily need a large sensor in order to capture more light in low-light conditions. It's just easier to make an f/2 lens for a large sensor instead of making an f/1.4 lens with the same field of view for a small sensor. So if a camera already has an f/1.7 or f/1.8 lens, then it's apparently very hard to produce high quality lenses with even smaller f-numbers. So in order to produce lenses that capture even more light for a certain field of view, the lens needs to be designed for a larger sensor.
A Xiaomi Note 10 captures approximately as much light per exposure time as a Canon Aps-c camera + 15mm kit lens at f/3.5
3. Sensor size determines roughly how much light per frame can be captured in perfect(!) light conditions because small f-numbers need a shorter exposure time in perfect light conditions. But many phones combine different exposures (though not Google). This way a small sensor can achieve better shadows than a full frame camera. In perfect light conditions the full frame camera needs to choose maybe 1/10.000s with an f/2 lens, if it doesn't want to overexpose. A smartphone can choose 1/10.000s and(!) 1/10s for dark shadow areas, the phone would clearly outperform the raw file of a full frame camera. Though Google phones would average approximately eight 1/10.000s exposures, so Google phones would benefit from a larger sensor, especially Google's shadows slider.
Large sensors are also important when you want to get a very high resolution like 100 megapixel photos in perfect(!) light conditions because they capture more light per frame in perfect(!) light conditions due to the larger physical focal length. The more you zoom into a photo, the more noise will be visible. But when a smartphone averages multiple frames (that's what Google is doing) , then this could be possible, too , even for the raw files. Though moving objects might be noisier and of course there could be special artifacts theoretically. So cameras with large sensors might be more appropriate when you want to be sure that there are no special artifacts.
4. A 100mm (real focal length) f/4 lens captures more(!!!) light per time from distant objects(!) than a 25mm (real focal length) f/1.4 lens, no matter which sensor size. 100/4 is larger than 25/1.4
Yes, when you use a 100mm f/4 lens with a smartphone sensor and a 25mm f/1.4 lens with a medium format sensor, the smartphone sensor + 100mm f/4 lens will capture more light per time from the moon than the medium format sensor + 25mm f/1.4 lens.
Though when you take a photo of a dark object, the result can be worse due to read noise because the 100mm lens will lead to many more pixels per object, so the light is distributed over a much higher number of pixels.
- Android Master
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BrendonF, 28 May 2020The problem is 4k is gimmicky and people are voting with their money by avoiding buying Sony p... moreSamsung is focused on producing displays with the most accurate colors, high refresh rate, low latency, energy efficiency, 1000 plus nits on brightness, etc.
They stopped investing in gimmicks like 4k since they knew pushing beyond 3k on a sub 7 inch device is providing diminishing returns where the panel can't support higher refresh rate, also ends up being dim like the Xperia 1 which could barely push 600 nits in Auto Max mode And ended up sucking more juice.
- Android Master
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Smithravi, 28 May 2020+ Having able to take fast moving subjects is one thing and being consistent at it is another thing.Another Battery draining feature.
Weak 4000mAh battery running 4k sucks out juice within minutes.
Can people stop repeating that the 4K display is an actual reason to buy this phone. YOU WON"T NOTICE A DIFFERENCE. With a screen this small (6.5 inches) you won't be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 4k so 4K shouldn't a reason to buy this phone. 120FPS is a legitimate thing you can notice and that actually brings value to the phone. The Sony excels in many other areas but the display is not really one of them.
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