Have 6 month to decide if I get it ... or maybe (please) an compact version?
BliTTzZ, 28 May 2020Find X2 Pro shoots RAW in 12-bit. Plenty of other smartphones do it too. Not saying it's bad, ... moreTrue 12bit capture!
Just like other manufacturers market their displays as 10bit but they aren't true 10bit panels.
Same with 12bit and true 12bit Raw capture.
Android Master, 28 May 2020I am not saying that Sony doesn't have accurate colors. All I said is that the Find X2 pro p... moreFind X2 Pro shoots RAW in 12-bit. Plenty of other smartphones do it too. Not saying it's bad, but not as unique as one might think.
sony should make the phone available across all regions.
with huawei having issues with the us now would be a good time to get some market share
Shanti Dope, 28 May 2020I also did my own comparison and concluded things based on that. While we're waiting for camer... moreI am not saying that Sony doesn't have accurate colors.
All I said is that the Find X2 pro produces the most accurate colors uptil now among all 2020 flagships and the sensor plays a big role here. Even OnePlus 8 pro is giving slightly punchy oversaturated output compared to Find X2 pro by default.
There's your proof for 12bit image capture (remember its image, not 12bit video capture)
Android Master, 28 May 2020This is where you should put a brake to your therotical garbage.
I am basing my opinions on t... moreI also did my own comparison and concluded things based on that. While we're waiting for camera samples from the review here, I have already seen many sample images from reliable YouTubers who have the phone already, and Juan Bagnell is one of my most favorite for his honest reviews and feedbacks. His sample shot that he posted on IG looked really fantastic and everything is spot-on, especially the colors. Go check it out @SomeGadgetGuy.
I searched hard to find exactly the things you're trying to say, and I never managed to find the context of your point, even at Sony's own website.
More accurate colors are simply the effect of more held back image processing that extracts the true colors that the sensor was able to pick up.
No, I doubt it is a 12-bit sensor, otherwise OnePlus PR team would've been making it a big fuss, along with the "more accurate color sensor" bells and whistles that you're saying.
Like I've said, whatever progress made for smartphone sensors will be available for proper-sized digital camera sensors at the same time, heck sometimes even first before the phone sensors get them.
Shanti Dope, 27 May 2020Uhh, I don't think so. Well, currently it does, but not until someone tests this phone out.
A... moreThis is where you should put a brake to your therotical garbage.
I am basing my opinions on tests comparing all flagship.
The custom IMX 689 sensor was designed to give more accurate colors compared to other sensors on the market.
Besides the sensor does capture true 12 bit images , another fact you can verify with Google.
Anonymous, 27 May 2020honestly raw on phones doesnt make a big differenceThat means you don't know what to do with a RAW file.
Anonymous, 27 May 2020honestly raw on phones doesnt make a big differenceIf you wouldn't edit them anyway, then they really won't be anything good.
It's not like RAW is an option to enhance JPEGs or whatever.
Anonymous, 27 May 2020honestly raw on phones doesnt make a big differenceRAW makes a huge difference in all situations IMO. What makes you believe so?
Where can I get added to the pre order list for Sony Xperia 1 Mark 2 phone in UK
ethereal, 27 May 2020Only RAW can offer un-cooked & no-artifacts images. If it is there on the Xperia, great! honestly raw on phones doesnt make a big difference
Anonymous, 27 May 2020At 9:04 you see the effect of Zeiss coated glass. Sony has no haze while Samsung has lots of h... moreRight. Lens flaring will be almost inexistent on this phone.
Last year's Xperia 1 and 5 both had some of the sharpest camera lens in the ultra wide camera, now it may even be better with larger sensor and newly designed lens.
Android Master, 27 May 2020Find X2 pro gives the most natural looking colors and photos out of all 2020 flagships.
That ... moreUhh, I don't think so. Well, currently it does, but not until someone tests this phone out.
After all, the Alpha team designed the camera system on this phone, and their Alpha cameras are some of the better options when it comes to color reproduction with their great color science.
No, it absolutely has nothing to do with the sensor being used. Any camera sensor can reproduce colors accurately if the software is programmed to leave it naturally as it is as seen by the sensor, given that it is an advanced sensor made in the recent years. Pretty much the majority of OEMs today love to apply heavy processing on the images to make them look Instagram-able, hence colors turn out very saturated. Vibrant and attractive, yes, but accurate, definitely not.
Chroma Boost is basically as good as applying filters from Instagram. No need for that, as anyone can easily replicate that look through Snapseed or Adobe Lightroom.
Never heard about 12-bit. Even most modern day APS-C digital cameras are only 10-bit. No way a smartphone sensor is more advanced, but even so, it will remain short of the level of proper digital cams, mainly due to sensor size difference.
Shanti Dope, 27 May 2020https://youtu.be/5dIZmWKoRFE 5:22 to 6:50 Sony sounded louder and a tiny bit clearer tha... moreAt 9:04 you see the effect of Zeiss coated glass. Sony has no haze while Samsung has lots of haze in the middle. Doesn't mean it's wrong to have haze but that is what Zeiss T* eliminates. Subtle difference but difference none the less.
Shanti Dope, 27 May 2020It's more saturated because Samsung applies heavy processing on the images and videos even in ... moreFind X2 pro gives the most natural looking colors and photos out of all 2020 flagships.
That is partly due to the sensor used.
For ppl who want saturated images and punchy vibrant colors, they can simply turn on chroma boost option in settings.
No need for gcam.
Also, 12bit image capture possible with the sensor.
Wezz, 27 May 2020Wow! Listening the sound the 1II is more better but when looking at the photos the S20 Ultra ... moreIt's more saturated because Samsung applies heavy processing on the images and videos even in Pro Mode.
Sure, it looks appealing and could potentially attract consumers because of the implied better dynamic range (made possible by software, not hardware) but then it contradicts to what the camera sensor itself is seeing, which is definitely worse than what the final results look like.
To me, Auto mode means settings should be automatically set and corrected so that I get to have the perfect settings in every scene, but I don't want the phone itself to process it to what they define to be "better image." Well anyway, for those cases, GCAM is available for almost every Android phone nowadays, and I can easily get the same images as I do on other phones as with this phone, but on the other hand, there's simply no way I could achieve a natural and realistic look of images on the other phones as I can do with this phone. Hence the more reason why it deserves the "Pro" name more than the others, as it really is intended for professional use of professional users.
As for the details, I assume you were talking about the nigjt time images, which in that case, I think it's unfair since ths Galaxy used Night Mode while Sony is still pending for the update with Night Mode on it.
Though at some images where the user didn't trigger the Night Mode, the two were actually comparable, but then again, Sony's RAW noise reduction is more effective, as evident by last year's Xperia 1 retaining more detail with less noise than the Galaxy Note 10+ in low light, but we'd have to see.
So far, the S20 Ultra is barely impressing me. Great camera, but barely better than last year's S10+.
As for the 1 Mk II, I saw some sample shots here: https://m.dpreview.com/samples/5031669290/sony-xperia-1-mark-ii-sample-gallery
I'd let you decide for it, but honestly, it looks really close to the JPEG image processing of Sony Alpha cameras, which means natural look yet still adequately detailed and clean images, but on a smartphone level only.