Bogdan, 28 Jun 2020Tell that to my past Android phones, whom after the first major updates starting having proble... moreThe problem with SE and the ideology it gives rise to has to be the inexplicable and presumptive arrogance of Apple to second guess consumer choices and build solutions accordingly.
Be it SE 2020, iPhone 11 or XR, what Apple ends up conveying is their utter degeneracy of the visual aspects of the overall smartphone experience, at a time when Even web companies have to tailor their offerings with media consumption in mind.
No matter how streamlined the iOS ecosystem is, it remains straitjacketed by the constraints that an ill favored paradigm imposes.
At a time when competition is furnishes ever increasing refresh rate panels, Apple spews out Lcd panels with subpar resolutions. Thereby the budget offerings are left with nothing but handicapped A13 chip and interoperability of iOS devices,to offer as incentives.
Ever noticed, how every single positive reviews of iPhone 11, SE 2020 emphasizes the consumers who are coming straight from iPhone 6 or 7, looking for new model?
mandalaphone, 29 Jun 2020It might be confirmation bias for fans but for reviewers it has to do with their funding. I wo... moreYes, but it is usually some part of iPhones that are used as the refrence frame, not all parts. For example, audio quality is not very good on base airpods, but the connectivity is.
Blackk Mamba , 30 Jun 2020All test have been done.
IPhone doesn't do as good in low light compared to Find X2 pro or S2... moreYo, what about software image proccesing?
S20 ultra's bixby processing still sucks compared to iPhones.
It often overbrightens the image and lifts shadows way too much. See here:
Galaxy S20 Ultra: https://mobilarena.hu/dl/cnt/2020-02/158571/12_1.jpg
iPhone 11 Pro: https://mobilarena.hu/dl/cnt/2019-09/155501/photo4.jpg
Snakes are twisting or what is happening on that pic?? See original picture: https://mobilarena.hu/dl/cnt/2020-02/158571/12_4.jpg
The iPhone SE looks like a very nice device. Nice to see Apple still catering for those who like smaller phones.
JDK, 29 Jun 2020s20 ultra has huge autofocus problems. And has weird bixby image processing.
Who said iPhon... moreAll test have been done.
IPhone doesn't do as good in low light compared to Find X2 pro or S20 ultra.
S20 ultra autofocus issues have been long fixed.
This isn't Apple that takes 6 months to fix updates after initially releasing beta software.
My brother owns the S20 ultra. It's autofocus might not be as fast as Find X2 pro or Huawei p40 pro but the previous issues have been fixed.
Small 1/2.3" sensor pales in comparison to large 1/1.33" sensor on the S20U.
It's not just about megapixels. But then expecting Cr@pple users to be educated on these matters is like expecting the sun to rise from the West.
Anonymous, 29 Jun 2020IPhone has inferior zoom, inferior Ultrawide.
It's inferior when it comes to low light.
No 9... mores20 ultra has huge autofocus problems. And has weird bixby image processing.
Who said iPhone was worse in Low-Light? Just because of "ooooh, lower resolution","smaller sensor bla bla bla" talk?
Duck of death, 27 Jun 2020mkbhd is suffering from the same RDF as most other gadget bloggers. Their reference point isn'... moreIt might be confirmation bias for fans but for reviewers it has to do with their funding. I won't go into particular names but I agree with you. It is also understandable that a US-based reviewer will have the iPhone as their reference frame. The brand is highly influential and the company has deep deep pockets.
Anonymous, 27 Jun 2020I wish that GSMArena would stop plugging DxOMark reviews.
I have stopped trusting DxOMark a... moreCoz their review procedure and depth is simply second to none. They are the most trust worthy in this field.
You may not like their findings but this doesn't blemish their credibility.
Only have one word to describe my feeling after reading this
(apple camera sucks btw)
JDK, 28 Jun 2020Like I said, DxOmark isn't reliable, in my opinion.
Why does s20 ultra deserve a 122 while ... moreIPhone has inferior zoom, inferior Ultrawide.
It's inferior when it comes to low light.
No 960fps super slow motion recording.
IPhone stabilization worse than S20 Ultra.
DxOMark aren't f**ls to rate average lasd year camera best this year.
Anonymous, 28 Jun 2020yeah...... take a inexperienced manufacturer with their low budget phone as a standard to repr... moreSo, from your logic, only the rich people should be able to enjoy some product.
Yeah a 2000EUR laptop is good. But, if somebody who doesn't have money will buy a 200-300EUR laptop, they should automatically expect that laptop to perform bad? Or have problems with it? Isn't this the purpose of cheaper devices? To enjoy some of the things that the more expensive products offer, but at a lower cost.
Is the same case scenario with phones.
And by the way, like I said in my initial comment, I had also a 800EUR Android phone (S9+) with very bad experience too. I bought it mainly because I wanted to have the greatest (at that time) in Android phones. And guess what, I still had problems with it. Of course, not all Android flagships that I had were bad. I had a good experience with a Huawei P10 before that. But, this is the problem with Android phones, is a lottery. Always a lottery, and whoever had more than 5-10 Android phones from different manufacturers, can easily confirm this.
Bogdan, 28 Jun 2020Tell that to my past Android phones, whom after the first major updates starting having proble... moreyeah...... take a inexperienced manufacturer with their low budget phone as a standard to represent all android phone in the world . You are same like those who buy $200 windows laptop and compare with $2000 apple laptop and say the $200 laptop sux .
Anonymous, 27 Jun 2020Google Pixel? Lol maybe in the US.
Other parts of the world, budget flagships from Xiaomi, Re... moreTell that to my past Android phones, whom after the first major updates starting having problems.
I remember one time with an Asus (I believe it was the Asus Zenfone Max 2 with Android 6.0). When the update to Android 7.0 came, apps starting crashing (like normal apps, twitter, facebook), phone freeze constantly. I was with the phone in warranty (because it was 3 months old phone) and they did a return to factory defaults and to Android 6.0. They told me never again should I make the update to Android 7.0, because it could break the phone. Ha ha, yeah, Android phones are the best.
I have other funny similar stories with other Android manufacturers if you want.
So please, do not tell me about Android phones. When it comes to software, they are very very very bad. No matter the brand and no matter the price (I had problems with 800EUR phone and with 150EUR phone). It is just a lottery, some models can be good others not. So, why take the risk? Not anymore for me.
ASUS ROG Phone 3, 28 Jun 2020I have XS Max 512 & 11 Pro Max 512. My pictures taken using iPhone 3GS still looks useable... moreLike I said, DxOmark isn't reliable, in my opinion.
Why does s20 ultra deserve a 122 while an iPhone deserves a 117? Oh I know why. It's cause DxOmark prioritizes zoom and camera specs rather than actual camera quality.
In an actually fair comparison, s20 ultra should score lower than iPhone 11 pro max.
Why does the mi 10 pro score so high? Because of it's 108MP quad cam, of course! But again, you should look at the software proccesing, not the specs.
Anonymous, 27 Jun 2020Bigger screen will not change the space available inside for the other components that are loc... moreiPhone 6, 6S, 7, 8 and SE (2) has plenty of space for extra cameras.
iPhone X, XS and 11 is hardly larger than those and has 2 to 3 cameras at BACK and 2 cameras on the front including Face ID cam not counting how much space taking by flood illuminator and dot projector which are also lacked on SE. Did I mention iPhone 11 has 3000mAh battery contrary to SE's 1800mAh.
So please stop spreading misinformation. I don't know whether or not Apple said that there was no space for more than one camera, but simply it's false.
SE doesn't have more than one camera because otherwise it would cannibalize iPhone 11 line sales. SE lack of night mode and only because of Apple purposefully tuned its software that way for the same reason.
It's certainly possible to make full screen phone that size with bigger screen, more cameras and bigger batteries. But Apple won't that for that price.
That phone meant to be cheap for Apple pricing. So except the chipset it's really cheap.
This is poor man's iPhone.
JDK, 27 Jun 2020Bruh. You know how samsung galaxy s20 ultra scores higher than iPhone 11 pro? DxOmark is an... moreI have XS Max 512 & 11 Pro Max 512. My pictures taken using iPhone 3GS still looks useable and I love iPhone cameras. But we are talking about TOPPING the DxO chart. Yes, I agree that iPhones Cameras look great and produces fine picture quality. But Android mobiles apparently caught up with Camera and doing really great.
SMH, 27 Jun 2020DxOMark is like JD Powers of smartphones; they advertise the phones that pays well to them period.Though DxO Mark May be playing games in announcing results they are far better when it comes to their systematic thorough review of mobile phone camera capabilities. Just like displaymate review of displays. Their processes seems to be consistent, transparent and their scoring on each parameters reflecting the real situation in many cases. Their reviews based on the Software, test piece and other parameters. Not necessarily all mobile phones reviewed by DxO their camera performance remained same. It is possible for the OEM to improve upon its assemblies with better parts and upgrade their software etc ...