Bogdan, 06 Jul 2020Yeah, this is all good and all, but why the need for 120W charger? What's wrong with 60W?... moreIf they are delivering 120W in a safe manner without causing battery degradation, what's your problem man?
You must be an iPhone user.
Always trying to stagnate innovation by saying who needs it.
Similar to how they have been saying for years,
Who needs more than 720p resolution?
Who needs more than 3.5" screen?
Who needs IP68 rating?
Who needs Ultrawide cameras?
And i bet new Iphones will use 5V/1A chargers like last year iphones and apple will call it innoivative and ask nicely 25 per cable and 25 per charger as usualy because apple like to sell everything separately.
In next 2-3 years they will ask money even for the manual thats normaly included in the box.
Blackk Mamba , 06 Jul 2020That NotebookCheck article is another poorly researched one.
Look when they say "expert... moreYeah, this is all good and all, but why the need for 120W charger? What's wrong with 60W?
I mean, with 60W the phone is fully charged in about 30 minutes. What more you guys want? 5 minutes?
We live in a world of speed, but this numbers are just ridiculous. Nothing more than a show off from Xiaomi, imo.
Blackk Mamba , 06 Jul 2020That NotebookCheck article is another poorly researched one. Look when they say "expert... moreIt depends on the model of the phone. Don't expect much from a budget phone though.
Anonymous, 06 Jul 2020That's why you just sell.
Customers wouldn't even know . It needs a pretty techy p... moreHow is it my anecdotal evidence?
We usually are in touch with a community of other sellers.
If such issues persist, we usually find out before most people.
Never heard about Chinese manufacturers causing battery degradation over the last 3 years (irrespective of the brands) from any vendor for that matter.
Even professional reviewers who test 1-2yr old phones never reported such problems nor did some users.
Anonymous, 05 Jul 2020Your informations are based on subjective experiences. It's also clear that Oppo's s... moreThat NotebookCheck article is another poorly researched one.
Look when they say "experts claim that vooc charging reduces battery to 70%."
And give link to tweet by the Anandtech guy.
That guy from Anandtech has already been debunked.
You are repeating same fake news over and over again.
Biggest problem which is heat is taken care of in vooc even during charging and using the phone.
I have given 2 links in my previous comments on this thread explaining everything.
Anonymous, 05 Jul 2020"It's been almost 3 years since Huawei, OnePlus and others have provided 30W and abo... moreIt's funny how you got into a d*ck measuring contest.
Desperately trying to prove that you are in touch with some higher ups when in reality you don't even understand how modern day Fast charging doesn't produce much heat let alone some battery degradation problem due to modern day Fast charging that doesn't exist.
You still haven't given any links where tons of people are suffering degradation due to fast charging.
Whatever degradation they are facing is normal degradation that happens with time.
In reality these phones which are stuck at 18W are the ones showing more battery degradation because they are using inferior outdating charging technology where Manufacturers haven't internally tweaked the batteries and other components.
Best Example is Apple which not only gives weak 18W charging but also slows down phones with subsequent updates.
Xiaomi has already shown how they are not only giving 65W but also using batteries which are higher capacity & have higher charging cycles compared to regular batteries like those inside phones stuck at 18W.
Everything innovative from Chinese manufacturers must be bad.
If they perform better, they must be slowing down after few months.
If they give faster charging, it must degrade battery in future. All those assumptions without any proof.
As I said before, when those non Chinese brands give you higher Watt fast charging, you'll suddenly change your tune.
Blackk Mamba , 05 Jul 2020I run my own shop selling phones from multiple brands on the hardware front and doing software... moreThat's why you just sell.
Customers wouldn't even know . It needs a pretty techy person to make the conclusion. Someone who's observant.
There is alot for regular people to even know that there is a difference between normal charging and fast charging.
They probably just think oh a new phone or a charger that can charge faster
Blackk Mamba , 05 Jul 2020I run my own shop selling phones from multiple brands on the hardware front and doing software... moreYour informations are based on subjective experiences. It's also clear that Oppo's statement wouldn't ever confirm faster degradation through their charging solution, what did you expect? As a proof they show testings under laboratory conditions, very bulletproof.
Here's another great article which describes the materia and the different solutions on the market out there. And guess the conclusion of this article? Right, it's highly recommended to NOT fast charge your device or phone when you're not really in a hurry.
Now I wish you a lot of fun whilst reading the link and hopefully your limited horizon will be greater after reading it.
Blackk Mamba , 05 Jul 2020I run my own shop selling phones from multiple brands on the hardware front and doing software... moreI'm not running shop selling phones like yours, but I manage and do business (in association) with people like yours, who own shop and with people who own repair shop in several cities (some are big players who owns franchises or running shops in several cities), and also with big brands company, there were lots of complaints about fast battery degrading issues reported, the fact is majority of consumers wasn't had problems with battery degradations not because they didn't have it but in facts they mostly didn't realized it because they get used to it slowly/gradually, and most people replace their phones within 2 years because lots of phones comes cheaper and we could realized battery degradation after more than 2 years (slight battery degradation, but it will felt significantly after near 3 years), and those tests you mentioned are controlly conducted in lab which only testing amount of charge cycles conducted in short limited time frame while battery degradation isnt only affected by how many charge cycles, but also deteriorate overtime, electricity, powerbanks, ambient temperature, their charger condition/quality, their charge pattern and their usage, these variables cannot be simulated in lab alone. I got this information from people (either tech guys or higher ups) who works in companies like Samsung, Oppo, Vivo etc ..so, I got insight informations about their products.
Now, lets see about the link you provide
this link is actually Oppo responds or counter to some other people who also testing and found battery degradation faster with fast charging and its similar with my experiences (and other informations/testimonies) I found, and there are lots of links and topics on forums who said the same thing, but you just blindly to see it while we can see in this comments sections who also disagree with you and you can see the web also flooded with theories, personal experiences and even numerous tests saying otherwise.
I'm not someone who just buys phones from famous big brands, I selectively buy phones from brands that has the lowest of failure rate, statistically speaking those famous big brands tends come with lower failure rate compared to cheaper brands like xiaomi, realme, honor but sometimes it also depends on what class-segment phones you buy. These informations isnt just what I got from my personal experience, but also from people who runs shop like yours and people who do repair phones, either 3rd party repair or from people who works in official repair center, and I also got many informations of their products from higher-ups in their company, like product manager or so.
I know what kind of people you are, someone who have lots of experiences on particular matters yet actually still nothing compared to lots people I've met who running the same business like yours.
It's laughable how people who owns shop like yours didn't well informed about this matter and just keep trusting whatever they said about fast-charging tech with no faster degradation.
Anonymous, 05 Jul 2020"It's been almost 3 years since Huawei, OnePlus and others have provided 30W and abo... moreI run my own shop selling phones from multiple brands on the hardware front and doing software part as well.
None of these Chinese companies like Xiaomi, Oppo, OnePlus, Vivo etc. Had problems with battery degradation due to fast charging.
Never had a single customer come to me with complains like that.
I gave you proof with links showcasing independent testing via labs which take into account all the laws of physics that you talk about. Maybe you need to go and read on how modern fast charging tech works.
120W as some user said could be 4 cells of 30W just like Oppo has 2 cells to give 65W charging.
I know exactly the type of customer you are.
Infact I welcome consumers like you who usually help me get rid of the stock of phones that no one buys coz of their high price. These guys simply see brand and buy phones.
It's laughable how technically challenged you are.
m.darwich, 04 Jul 2020I like how people start commenting without knowing anything about the battery life, they incre... morethis is true. that's why for each charger won't work (fast charge) on every device that does not support the standard.
Blackk Mamba , 04 Jul 2020You are the clueless consumer who buys 1000 dollar phones with weak 18W fast charging.
http... more"It's been almost 3 years since Huawei, OnePlus and others have provided 30W and above Fast charging.
If what you say was true, Internet forums would have been filled with battery degradation issues on these devices.
Those famous big brands simply want to milk their customers"
correction, huawei, Op, and other chinese companies.. like you said from previous comments, the other brands like samsung, LG, sony didn't apply this ridiculous super-duper fast charging for a reason.
How about you tried yourself from your personal experience in real life, and Im talking more than 2-3 years longer usage, so at least 4 years, then you talking. Those labs test still not enough to simulate real-world usage because there are lots of variables too that affect battery degradation.
"If im saying was true" lol, open your eyes, even right now, this comments sections is full of battery degradation issues about fast charging tech, and there are lots of internet forums talking about that. And there are lots of topics/evidences thats prove the opposite with your link.
Chinese manufacturer at forefront of innovation of fast charging tech, yeah, its not new tech, other brands could do the same but they didn't opted to because faster battery degradation issue, its law of physics. And there's a lot of case these chinese brands having swollen batteries, or fried phones when charging maybe this was side effect thanks to their fast charging tech.
I prefer buying 1000$ phones that comes with no any issues after 4years usage or more and still no issue even after I replaced with the new one instead paying 800$ flagship from cheap chinese brands with super-duper-fast-charging that suffer significant battery degradation after 2-3years usage and any other issues.
And last thing is, lets back to the main topic, we were talking about this new xiaomi 120W charging and your links only about 40W, its entirely different case. So keep using your 120W charger with your handicapped logic
Anonymous, 05 Jul 2020Chinese money is everywhere, lol and Apple? Companies like LG, Sony are pretty much dead. A... moreSony and LG dead? I don't know about phones but I know LG OLED TV+ Sony PlayStation 5 is going to be a popular combo. You still haven't explained why companies like Tesla admit fast charging degrades battery faster than slow charging, are Tesla not at the forefront of EVs?
Anonymous, 05 Jul 2020Sony, dead? I guess the Playstation isn't a popular console, then. Nobody would buy an ov... moreDead as in "dead in the mobile segment".
They hardly have a compelling portfolio of devices to buy.
Anonymous, 05 Jul 2020Chinese money is everywhere, lol and Apple?
Companies like LG, Sony are pretty much dead.
A... moreSony, dead? I guess the Playstation isn't a popular console, then. Nobody would buy an overpriced unknown game console from a failing company lmao.
LG, dead? You think smartphones are all they make? Oh, they make appliances, too? Some literal nobody smartphone company is suddenly foraying into TV, refrigerators, and other appliances? DeAd On ArRiVaL lMfAo
Enjoy your 50 percent battery in 10 minutes, you keep doing that so much and you'll start being amazed when the same battery charges to full in 10 minutes, and soon even less. But it doesn't matter that it drains faster and faster, right? What matters is that you have a battery that charges faster the more often you charge it.
., 04 Jul 2020Chinese money is everywhere these days, TUV was probably paid by China. For me, companies like... moreChinese money is everywhere, lol and Apple?
Companies like LG, Sony are pretty much dead.
Apple is notorious for stagnating innovation.
You simply can't accept that companies who you thought were inferior are at the forefront of innovation.
You'll change your tune about fast charging above 18W when your so called trusted companies finally decide to give you faster charging.
Till then keep using handicapped fast charging technology while others are reaching 50 percent battery in 10 min and laughing at your stone Age thinking.