Excalibur, 20 Jul 2020with or without 3.5mm port, im ok with it. if pop up camera proves to be durable that lasts as... moreThat's what they do, you can find tons of report of phone battery, display, electronic or other components failing, but it is quite hard and rare to find any report on pop up failing.
The mechanism is literally the same as in optical disk readers, except that rather than a metal on plastic it have a metal on metal structure, those optical or floppy disk readers can work for decades with the head quite violently moving for thousand of actuations per days, and if it is steel on steel (which I think it is), the really low friction of steel mean there is virtually no wear.
There are tons of video showing pop ups being tortured and still working or only requiring re-calibration to work again.
Already 2 years of pop up and most user change their phone in 3 years, so I am really not worried about the pop up durability.
Its only thing that appeared was the little dust that can get it can act as a cement, latching the pop up in, but after few re-calibrations, it break free and is good for probably 1 or 2 years again without issues, that's quite low maintenance.
Other than that, no sign of aging have been found.
Demongornot, 19 Jul 2020Well, my phone design having a pop up with virtually no wear, and appart from the pop up housi... morewith or without 3.5mm port, im ok with it. if pop up camera proves to be durable that lasts as long as the phone, im ok with it.
Excalibur, 19 Jul 2020I like the pop up because it makes the front of the phone symmetrical when it is not in use, y... moreWell, my phone design having a pop up with virtually no wear, and appart from the pop up housing itself nothing to break, plus being user replaceable without having to open the phone (only the top), and the jack port being not removed but rather replace by a magnetic connector who allow to keep compatibility while taking no internal space (other than a small board for the cables and the DAC), we can say it solve those issues.
Well, not really as it have a massive and ultra complex photography system that allow heavy x50+ zoom, powerful autofocus, and the ability to control depth of field from really short to almost complete depth of field (and numerically having a complete one) without changing the aperture size, but well it is a massive advantage while not being expensive.
But thanks to a removable sodium solid state graphene battery, lets say that the smaller than usual battery size will still give a HUGE capacity, coupled with a graphene display which is reflective type, meaning it doesn't need backlighting as long as there are enough ambiant light, doesn't require energy to maintain an image but only to change it, and with a smart chip based on the same principle, only changing the relevant pixels, the phone would drain very little battery anyway.
Does it fit what you describe ? Or is it just different ?
Demongornot, 18 Jul 2020No I don't accuse you of that, literally the pop up is too rare and have a too low popula... moreI like the pop up because it makes the front of the phone symmetrical when it is not in use, you see i too have mild autism. I dislike it because of the fragility issues with more moving parts. I am also one of those people who dont have any issues when the 3.5mm port is removed given the removal of it will give birth to more battery capacity or any other more useful tech you can add to the phone. So what i care is symmetry and important features without compromising durability.
Excalibur, 18 Jul 2020Now you're accusing me of intruding privacy... You dont know how to communicate. It was y... moreNo I don't accuse you of that, literally the pop up is too rare and have a too low popularity to let any negative comments about it unanswered, basically I just defended it then told you that it is damaging for it to say negative things about it, Jack port is next in line as more and more brands remove it and for some unknown reasons some peoples are against this port ?
And yup, I actually don't know how to communicate, I am dyslexic (it isn't just an excuse for my grammar), this is because I have autism, and this isn't a secret that us, autistic have trouble communicating anyway.
And no, no need to apologize or anything, I was only insisting on why I acted in the first place.
If I understood correctly, you like the pop up but really don't like the mechanism ?
Well, there is a solution then, simply removing the mechanism and switching to electromagnetic actuation.
Literally I designed a fictional concept phone around this principle :
It remove all negative aspects of the pop up :
*Lack of water resistance
Though I often explain that those aren't issues as it wear slower than essential components like batterie, display and chips, it is tougher than the display, it can allow to survive accidental drop in water, and it is fast enough that the OnePlus 7(t) Pro face unlock beat the Samsung S10s, Huawei 30s and is equal or slightly slower to the Realme X, and basically only occupied space is an issue.
But electromagnetic pop up put all that problems in the shelf of problems of the pasts, the pop up housing isn't much bigger than the pop up itself, there is basically no wear, it is quite fragile as there is no mechanism to damage (only magnetic force to hold it in place) and in my design we can even replace the pop up without tearing down the phone, it is not just water resistant but completely water proof as the pop up compartment can be totally sealed off of the phone/pop up, and it would actuate so fast that it might require to use air as a cushioning mean to slow it down (and springs to dampen the motion) because of how crazy fast electromagnetic actuation can get.
There are many tech like that which could improve our phones a lot, in this concept phone I made the only two I keep for myself is the special lens that allow the giant opening to cast directly 90° without requiring an equally big 45° angled mirror, and the ultra fast charging and data wireless contact based pad/tech on the back, so it isn't even to sell any tech, just to showcase what is faisable, I'll make a video with a model in Autodesk Fusion 360 which will look way better when I'll have free time, but there are enough screenshots to get a basic idea for now.
Demongornot, 17 Jul 2020Yeah, sure, your personal pride is more important than our privacy.
I have no security issue,... moreNow you're accusing me of intruding privacy... You dont know how to communicate. It was you who started this bs argument. What do you want anyway, you want me to say sorry for saying im not a fan of the pop up camera...
Look, im sorry if i may have said something that could have hurt you. Lets stop arguing over the pop up camera, you want it and i dont exactly dislike it. In fact im considering getting this legion phone, but im also considering rog 3. Whichever phone we get, we have reasons and in the end it is us who will be blamed if in the end we will regret the phone that we got. That's why we need to share what we know about a phone, know its pros and cons so we can be satisfied with what we choose.
Excalibur, 17 Jul 2020defend the pop up all you want. you cant force someone to say or not say "im not a fan of... moreYeah, sure, your personal pride is more important than our privacy.
I have no security issue, I state facts, you aren't even aware of how bad lack of privacy can get and yet you are acting as if it isn't a big deal, ignorance isn't an excuse.
And this isn't about security, it is about privacy, that's a huge difference and a much greater threat.
Internet used to be a safer place before peoples like you made privacy intrusion practices a totally normal thing by just totally ignoring them.
Here, educate yourself :
And base on how you react and escalade it so much when I simply tell you that you shouldn't say something about certain things for its own sake, I think you are the one who should get out of the internet, I have been quite polite and nice to you, yet you consider I did personal attack ?
Mainly requiring that we know each other for me to point out something ? Really, THAT'S the goal of internet, connecting with known peoples AND strangers.
Also, since when saying "You don't like it ? Fine, go pick something else then" is an attack ?
You are over dramatizing a little remark here.
Demongornot, 17 Jul 2020Because pop up is the ONLY available feature that allow BOTH front camera AND privacy, and pri... moredefend the pop up all you want. you cant force someone to say or not say "im not a fan of it / i dont like it." you could have just defended it by saying why you like it instead of attacking directly the person not liking/not a fan of it.
i can say what i want as long as im not stepping on others. did i directly address you or say something bad about you when i said im not a fan of the pop up camera, i dont even know you, you're insignificant to my life and yet here you are attacking me when i just simply say "im not a fan of pop-up cameras..."
ok, you have your security issues, i say you're over reacting... if you want total security, dont connect to the internet...
Excalibur, 17 Jul 2020why do you care about popularity, if you want pop up cameras to be popular, go to the designer... moreBecause pop up is the ONLY available feature that allow BOTH front camera AND privacy, and privacy is the most important thing you can ever think about when it come to any consumer device.
The only alternative is second display on the back, but many peoples don't like it, and no front camera at all, but peoples complain about the idea too.
No, if I want pop up to be popular, I have to defend it, like I've done for several month and proved to be effective.
This isn't a forum, this is direct comments, which have an even stronger effect on products than a regular forum, and by saying you don't like something, you are in a sense bashing it.
If the pop up was a regular feature, that was on a third of all smartphones, yeah, go ahead and say you like it or not, but when something is THAT rare, so close to disappear, mainly now that the stupid underdisplay camera thing is coming and is said to replaced pop up, despite peoples being too stupid to understand that pop up is more about privacy than fulldisplay...
Well yeah, in such case, even a single comment of someone saying he doesn't like it have a bad effect on it.
And considering that the pop up being the only privacy friendly feature that is accepted and that lack of privacy could literally doom us all, of course I will defend the pop up.
No one force you to like it, I was literally saying there is no need to say you don't like it, it is useless and do more harm than anything else.
Demongornot, 16 Jul 2020What you don't understand in "In cause this to degrading popularity of an already ra... morewhy do you care about popularity, if you want pop up cameras to be popular, go to the designers, not blabber offensive words. forums are suppose to be an atmosphere for exchanging ideas not bashing other people's ideas. if you want pop up cameras to be popular, i dont care. but dont also mind if i say "im not a fan of it" because i have my reasons as well. what can anybody do if im not a fan of it, force me to like it?
Excalibur, 16 Jul 2020what do you care about what i dont like, and i said im not a fan and it doesnt mean i dont lik... moreWhat you don't understand in "In cause this to degrading popularity of an already rare thing" ?
THIS is what I care, you could literally have an hotel in your bedroom entirely dedicated on hating pop up mechanism, I don't care.
But things lowering popularity of the pop up, which is the ONLY option available for both front camera + privacy (which is way more important than anyone taste), I do care about.
Demongornot, 15 Jul 2020Say the guy whose first sentence is to say what he doesn't like.what do you care about what i dont like, and i said im not a fan and it doesnt mean i dont like it already. i dont like the motorized mechanism, i like the symmetry it brings compared to punch holes and cutouts. you being pessimistic with other people that's what i mean... go spread your shit in other forum where im not around.
CptPower, 15 Jul 2020Well you are right probbaly lets wait and see what Lenovo will brings on us.
Hope my feeling... moreWell, don't forget that we call them Lienovo...
Don't expect too much from them at the risk of being disappointed !
Demongornot, 14 Jul 2020Because for peoples like you, the concept that there are influential peoples reading comments ... morei said my piece, im entitled to it whether you agree or disagree, keep your pessimism to yourself... because of people like you, there are always negativity in this world.
Demongornot, 14 Jul 2020Yup, but it will work in vertical mode too anyway, just that it isn't optimized enough (a... moreWell you are right probbaly lets wait and see what Lenovo will brings on us.
Hope my feeling is right and this will be interesting device othervise all the fuss and mess about marketing will pop up like a baloon hit by many arrows.
CptPower, 11 Jul 2020Exactly ci can imagine using viber messenger or facebook to use horizontally. Just the imagi... moreYup, but it will work in vertical mode too anyway, just that it isn't optimized enough (at all ?) for that.
Excalibur, 14 Jul 2020can you read my comment again and find my complains...
being not a fan of pop up cameras is... moreBecause for peoples like you, the concept that there are influential peoples reading comments and peoples saying they don't like X or Y features actually affect its probability to appear in a next phone, is a too complicated concept.
You don't want it, fine, we don't care, it's a damn rare thing, why while a 1 out of 100 phone have it you have to come to said phone and say you don't like it ?
Complain or not, same energy.
Demongornot, 10 Jul 2020My problem is peoples complaining about rare features, like pop up, second display on the back... morecan you read my comment again and find my complains...
being not a fan of pop up cameras is already a complaint? wow, you must want all to like that feature, not me...
your so over reacting. keep your pop up camera, i don't want it.