Weekly poll results: the upgrade cycle extends as people keep their old phones longer Comments
- AnonD-893029
- TkJ
ASUS ROG Phone 3, 12 Jul 2020I tend to agree. Paying $5,$9.99,$12,$8 for each and every stuff that can be made available fr... moreYeah.... No. Android has far larger user base than ios, not a 'stronger' ecosystem.
Considering the Appstore is able to generate higher revenue year on year compared to the Playstore, this despite that much smaller user base you mentioned.
And also consider that the Playstore sells music, films, TV and books in addition to apps (these are sold through the iTunes store on ios, which is separate to the Appstore).
Then this tends to not really support your opinion here. After all, despite having 80% of the market share the Playstore remains less profitable, so imagine those two user base numbers were an even 50/50 split, how do think those revenue numbers would look then?
- ASUS ROG Phone 3
- iih
Anonymous, 12 Jul 2020Having used an iPhone for 5 years, this is what I have to say about their software support: 1... moreI tend to agree. Paying $5,$9.99,$12,$8 for each and every stuff that can be made available fraction of the cost or no cost(eg:- News) are being touted as environment, ecosystem, experience is not something Android world would even bother to look at. To run, Facebook, Whatsapp, Uber, Instagram you dont need frequent software upgrades. Most of the Android OEMs continue to provide monthly or bi-monthly patches which is more than enough. Many cases you can see upgrades to newer version after 6 months to one year of heavy testing. In Android world many actually buy, offer, abail various services without having to part their 30% of the revenue to the Google. With 80% volume of mobile users in its side Android world is far more strong than iOS in terms of ecosystem.
- AnonD-893029
- TkJ
Anonymous, 12 Jul 2020Having used an iPhone for 5 years, this is what I have to say about their software support:
1... moreThen yours and my own experience on iOS differ greatly. Yes any battery will degrade over time, I did mention that a mid life replacement is advisable. This is not an issue unique to iOS devices. It just seems that way as people tend to use them for longer.
Usually by the time an Android’s battery has completely had it, it’s long since been rendered obsolete software wise. This might change though with these ridiculously high wattage charging solutions android oem’s are putting out. I don’t care what tech mitigation’s they try to put in place, The physics says those batteries will take an absolute hammering being repeatedly charged like that.
I recently past an original iPhone SE over to my father. It’s getting up there in age Itself, yet runs iOS 13.5.1 quite adequately. This software slowing down thing is more related to the battery health than any other factor.
Yes older hardware will lack the ability to run new features, not really sure what you suggest to get around that? At least older hardware is getting some of those new features (and updated security).
Look it simply boils down to iOS devices remaining relevant longer than their android counterparts. If you don’t like Apple or iOS then that is your choice. It doesn’t change that obvious fact though.
- Anonymous
- 7xY
Depending on how many smartphones the buyers own, significantly different interpretations can be given to the survey results released here. For some parts of the world, it is common for a typical smartphone user to have at least two primary phones plus one or more spares, with two or more simultaneous subscriptions from the carrier(s).
- Anonymous
- PZa
AnonD-893029, 12 Jul 2020And here’s hoping you will be happy with the Mate 40, I don’t mean to knock Huawei stuff, it’s... moreHaving used an iPhone for 5 years, this is what I have to say about their software support:
1. Phone is obsolete or battery life deteriorates badly before support ends.
2. Every new version of iOS slows the phone down until it becomes unbearable to use.
3. Apps stop working unless you keep upgrading the OS.
4. Most new features are not supported on old phones either because the hardware doesn't support them or they deliberately left it out on old phones.
I really don't miss Apple or their software support.
- AnonD-893029
- TkJ
Anonymous, 12 Jul 2020I was just talking about phone manufacturers with an integrated appstore like Apple. Huawei h... moreAnd here’s hoping you will be happy with the Mate 40, I don’t mean to knock Huawei stuff, it’s not for me and have never owned one myself but hear their hardware is solid. And sorry, I wasn’t merely referring to AppStore revenue, though it is an import factor of course, but rather that along with additional services (like music, TV, News etc), plus then exclusive features like iMessage & FaceTime et al. This overall provides both incentive and subscription revenue for Apple.
I know those things do not appeal to those that have chosen to go down the android route, and that is all well and good. For the Apple faithful though and perhaps someone just looking to buy a phone and use it without worry for as long as possible (a mid life battery replenishment notwithstanding), then Apple’s ability to offer that long level of support is a big incentive.
For Android it remains the sad truth that (and this applies more the further towards the flagship end you go) the hardware remains relevant far longer than the length of software support it gets.
- Sam-Gh
- iCr
It's not about the Price , it's all about evolution and power of current phones which in case of flagships and mid-rangers mostly stay relevant for three or four years of heavy usage and they may only need a new battery
- Anonymous
- PZa
AnonD-893029, 12 Jul 2020Huawei didn't break away, they were forced out by a US policy ruling. If not for that, th... moreI was just talking about phone manufacturers with an integrated appstore like Apple. Huawei has upgraded their phones to Android 10. They've shown that you don't need to be pressured by Google or GMS to do so. You suggested that the fragmentation was due to not having revenue through the appstore like Apple. Huawei's appstore solves that problem. Whether they'll be successful or not remains to be seen. All the naysayers have been predicting their demise but they're actually doing quite well, so well that I'm looking at buying the Mate 40 when it comes out.
- M1999
- nXq
Truther, 12 Jul 2020iPhone SE 2? More powerful than any android device ever?The SE 2020 has a very weak battery life. You can barely use it for one day with normal usage. Camera is okay but not quite near the top (it is nice in day light, weak with low light). It is very fast and the size is so nice, but that's it. Oh, and the support is long. But after all, it is a weak phone for 2020 standards
- AnonD-893029
- TkJ
Anonymous, 12 Jul 2020Yep, it has been a constant tug of war between phone manufacturers and Google. Google has bee... moreHuawei didn't break away, they were forced out by a US policy ruling. If not for that, then they certainly would still be featuring (and building their software around) GMS.
And I don't think this (necessary, not voluntary) new approach they are taking is likely to see a great deal of success outside of the Chinese market, where GMS is not a thing anyway. I live in the UK where the latest Hauwei and Honor device's go pretty much without recommendation due to their lack of Google services.
Samsung on the other hand have long tried their own app store, it's normally then first thing I look to uninstall or hide when picking up a new Samsung device (I've had a few over the years) and I know I'm not alone in that.
No, the fragmentation issue in Android isn't going to get solved by simply implementing competing app stores, this has been tried already. The issue is larger than that I'm afraid.
It's a feature of the open source nature of ASOP, GMS can (and has) encourage(d) some positive behaviour by OEM's where software is concerned, it doesn't go far enough though, and likely could never go as far as it would need too, in order to tackle this problem.
- Anonymous
- PZa
AnonD-893029, 12 Jul 2020That's right not everyone can, but Apple do and the business model for them is highly suc... moreYep, it has been a constant tug of war between phone manufacturers and Google. Google has been locking down Android with GMS and Google apps so that they can keep users locked in the Playstore. The revenue generated in the Playstore only goes to Google. That's why it is good to see Huawei breaking away to work on their own appstore. If Huawei is successful, maybe we'll see Samsung do the same.
- Anonymous
- wra
with every other electronics ever, more features are how they entice buyers, with phones it's less features which worked for a while but people are wisening up. the state of the world right nw doesn't help either.
- Rave
- MeP
while i personally change after 1.5 years I think we the decreasing innovation yoy buying a new smartphone after 3 years is a good choice especially if you get a flagship cause you know that it has enough performance to satisfy your every need for 3 to 4 years
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- gyg
Coronavirus and missing Jack are at fault. It's hard to choose if there is less of option, most of good enough performers without overkill price are Chinese brands like realme, xiaomi, vivo but not every phones got a Jack.
- Anonymous
- ajM
This time I do actually plan on keeping my phone for 4 years. The last phone I kept for almost 3 years before I sold it and bought a last-gen flagship (the Huawei P30 Pro) at an amazing price (400 euros). I'm from Europe and we have 2 years warranty, I can change the battery for free in the last month of warranty (did that with my old S7 and I kept it for another year before I sold it for 100 euros so I upgraded for 300 euros money out of pocket).
I will to the same in the last month of warranty, I will replace the battery for free and I will keep it then for another 2 years, 4 total.
There's no need in upgrading phones every year or even every two years. But do invest in a good case and screen protector if you want it to last that long.
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