DroidBoye, 20 Jul 2020Articles regarding warp charge are readily available online. It's only a matter of search... moremeh, the demographic of people who buy it aren't exactly the type who will check out those tiny details. it is not explicitly mentioned on the package that the cable spec is proprietary and that it is not recommended to use a non-proprietary solution.
for all purposes, it looks like a regular usb cable and that is what most people will see and what most people will buy. people who want an inexpensive phone will only get an inexpensive spare cable. its only those who delve deep into the nitty-gritties who notice this sort of thing.
DroidBoye, 20 Jul 2020Not all realme phones have VOOC or Super VOOC feature. If they use Snapdragon SoC but does not... moreperhaps, though i believe the spec is layered 'on top of' the chipsets (so to speak), which means it doesn't matter whether it is qualcomm or something else. also i think, most of BBK's devices are mostly qualcomm based anyway, since the time they moved to fast-charging.
i recall at least one of the phones i've seen that was hot to touch when charging was a realme 5 / 5 pro. don't really keep models in mind. there was an oppo with that issue too but it was probably an older one.
stobs, 20 Jul 2020honestly, no, what i said is ~not~ a known fact!Articles regarding warp charge are readily available online. It's only a matter of searching to find details about the tech. Safety information is also provided in the manual because if not, that would be another class action lawsuit. RTFM, atleast.
stobs, 20 Jul 2020i've no idea what this recent realme propaganda is all about. there are people in my work... moreNot all realme phones have VOOC or Super VOOC feature. If they use Snapdragon SoC but does not have fast charging of OPPO, they could be using Quick Charge.
stobs, 20 Jul 2020yeah, but once you change the cable to a non-proprietary non-OnePlus cable, the story changes.... moreThat's a known fact. For me, fast-charging with battery longevity in mind is still better than cable flexibility offered by High Voltage charging but with high-heat output even at just 18W power.
DroidBoye, 19 Jul 2020So you only decide "battery-life" based on power and not the technology involved? LO... moreyeah, but once you change the cable to a non-proprietary non-OnePlus cable, the story changes. can risk getting burnt out or damaging the phone/charger without the proprietary cable, which for some reason are not very long-lasting, typically of poor quality (like apple cables), not easily replaced when travelling, and occasionally causes conflicts with powerbanks.
VOOC is promising otherwise. the problem is the cable.
UltimateZeroSeconds, 19 Jul 2020You said slight temperature? Nope. I own both Realme and Samsung phones. Both with fast char... morei've no idea what this recent realme propaganda is all about. there are people in my workplace with realme's and those phones get quite hot when charging. they even get hot in a call and i've seen these owners speak with the phone away from the ear, cos its too hot! (they're too cheap to get bluetooth headsets).
Anonymous, 19 Jul 2020We trust Lab results over some Sony brand boy who refuses to accept facts. Sony is simply inf... moreNo one is stopping you to be ignorant. You can believe those lab tests. Just don't rub those fake lab tests on me.
Smithravi, 19 Jul 2020No matter what tech you implement, the higher the stress involved in charging the battery, the... moreYou said slight temperature?
Nope. I own both Realme and Samsung phones.
Both with fast charge tech.
I notice samsung always get hot while charging. And realme always stay cool.
Smithravi, 19 Jul 2020As I clearly explained in previous comments. I don't buy lab test results. I want real li... moreWe trust Lab results over some Sony brand boy who refuses to accept facts.
Sony is simply inferior on fast charging technology.
Smithravi, 19 Jul 2020As I clearly explained in previous comments. I don't buy lab test results. I want real li... moreYour previous comment does not even specify nor show any knowledge on your side with regards to each of the technologies you are comparing unto. Lab results? 2 years of test? lol.
Here as simple as it is: If you think High-voltage charging tech @18W is superior than 50W Super VOOC in terms of longevity then the problem here is not the technology itself but the knowledge that you have with the competing tech, or lack thereof. :)
Putting the battery and the main heat-generating element inside a confined space during fast charging stage will never justify your longevity argument. Heat kills the battery more than anything else in a smartphone. I really do hope that you can understand that notion.
You know electricity/electronics and chemistry still follow the usual physics convention. The good thing about them were that they'll always remain true whether you believe in them or not.
DroidBoye, 19 Jul 2020The only way that those big brands does not implement non-high-voltage fast charging is that t... moreAs I clearly explained in previous comments. I don't buy lab test results. I want real life performance. I want 65W guy to test it for over 2 years (Daily using 65W to charge his/her phone) and come here and share his results.
UltimateZeroSeconds, 19 Jul 2020"the Cinema Pro app in the state we tested it on the Xperia 1 II does a few things right ... moreI don't know any other phone manufacturer that offers anything near Cinema Pro app in video capture. LG comes close second in video features and LG's 8K video is second to none, the best video capture you can have on today's mobile but you never hear about it because all the noise made from Samsung, Apple and Huawei.
But let's backtrack on Sony's Cinema Pro video app. With Xperia XZ Premium release Sony went into full on video for their phones instead of photography. That was way too apparent to anyone who has some prosumer experience with cameras. Reason why it never got OIS was to not intrude on video EIS stabilization, by the time XZ2 rolled out they could't care less about photography cause video was all they did. No wonder they rolled out world's first in video such as HLG/HDR video, 720p super slow mo, 1080p super slow, 5 axis stabilization and so on. Every new feature was video related and Cinema Pro app was to be featured on XZ4 before it got cancelled and turned into Xperia 1 as tweener device between video and photography.
Cinema Pro app was the product of video oriented Xperia direction, it still lives but it will never be the focus of the new Xperia ever again. With Xperia 1 II still photography is once again back as priority and it will remain priority for at least another three generations if not more. Cinema Pro will be secondary side project and it will not evolve as previously planned with the previous management. Cinema Pro road map has or as of now had look profile opacity slider which has yet to be implemented and I'm pretty positive their target at some point was for user to create their own looks using WB and RGB sliders in lows, mids and high like on their XDCAMs.
My take on future of Cinema Pro app development: it will be a secondary video recording option once main sensor hits 30fps burst shooting (very likely next year and if not then definitely year after next, but all three sensors will be able to hit at least 25fps in near future). Photo Pro app will have some video counterpart similar to A7s II camera that will take over Cinema Pro as primary video recording tool for ultra quality short clips or longer medium quality shots while keeping all the Photo Pro features such as Eye Focus, AF lock, AE lock, Object tracking, etc. Those are all the features Cinema Pro doesn't have and will most likely never have. They will add histogram and scopes at some point to Cinema Pro I believe.
Smithravi, 19 Jul 2020No matter what tech you implement, the higher the stress involved in charging the battery, the... moreThe only way that those big brands does not implement non-high-voltage fast charging is that the constant-current fast-charging technologies (SuperVOOC for example) were still mostly being patented by their creators (proprietary) and for those "big brands", keeping raw cost low while keeping the smartphone prices high is always preferred. Qualcomm quick charge or any high-voltage variant of charging has a huge heat penalty ON THE SMARTPHONE itself @18W since transmission is done via high voltage and being converted to lower voltage for the battery to consume. Super VOOC on the other hand uses constant current design (CC), basically no high-voltage conversion needed inside the phone because the 10V5A input is equally distributed on two separate batteries inside the phone for 5V5A each. Super VOOC at 50W has much lower heat on the phone compared to (for example) Qualcomm Quick Charge @18W. The stress that you're talking about has already been addressed in Super VOOC, while Quick Charging or any High-voltage charging technique still gives more unnecessary stress to the battery during charging at much lower 18W charging rate via heat produced during in-device voltage conversion.
Kindly learn more about:
1. Qualcomm Quick Charge.
2. Super VOOC.
3. High performance lipo batteries. 5A charging is tiny compared their max charging rate.
4. Constant Current charging.
Sony, Samsung and Apple uses Quick Charge and/or USB PD high voltage fast charging not because it's the safest to do but because it's already included on their SoC purchase or just a cheaper, easier, low-cost standard that they can get away with. IF longevity is their main concern, they would stay away from high-voltage charger fast-charging tech but the fact is, they just don't, they're up for more profit. So your "longevity" argument is just invalid. lol.
Oppo is always open for partnership or product development, they're selling their tech on interested companies. It's up to the big brands to opt for it if they want fast charging tech without the unnecessary stress brought by in-device high voltage to low voltage conversion.
DroidBoye, 19 Jul 2020So you only decide "battery-life" based on power and not the technology involved? LO... moreNo matter what tech you implement, the higher the stress involved in charging the battery, the faster it deteriorates. All those new techs only reduce the slight temperatures for the Watts they charge it. Apple/Sony and even Samsung are not stupid who spend billions each year on R&D and still couldn't figure out how to do Ultra fast charging like 65W, 120W ?? We are not talking about one company here. Because Apple/Sony/Samsung prefer to keep their brand name rather than numbers and hype (cough cough Note 7). They knew if you use 65W in their smartphone, people will complain that their phone has poor battery life within 2 years. Still all flagships (99%) can charge 50% in 30min. That's more than enough in emergency situations. You don't need fast charging when you plug in and sleep at night do you??
Also remember Apple, Sony always uses lower mAh batteries in their smartphone. Also reason why they are most of the times low weight and slim or smaller compared to other smartphones. They concentrated on getting most from the low mAh battery (aka optimization) for similar performance (iPhone 11 Pro max still takes longer time to drain than 5000mAh flagships even today). Both Apple and Sony still uses low RAM sizes to have similar and better performance compared to other 12GB RAM flagships. All this I'm explaining that they do more practical R&D than just numbers. They prefer longevity.
iOS Succks, 18 Jul 2020I had Huawei phone with fast charging and Sony phone with 18W charging.
The Sony started fryi... moreThat didn't happened to old phones from year 2000. Sorry, but I don't believe you because Sony use Qnovo adaptive charging and battery care. So that can't be true. Yes, it is warm when charging, but battery degradation down to 65% after 6 months...? You are the only one I heard that from.
There is another evidence. I still have Sony XPERIA XZ2 Premium from 2018. It had little over 3540 mAh battery. After 2 years it has 3096 mAh left in battery. 1.2 year it was intensively used and after that I use it as second phone. That is not battery degradation down to 65%. So, nice try.
"the Cinema Pro app in the state we tested it on the Xperia 1 II does a few things right but is again far from perfect."
No wonder many pople complaining about features.
People expect "the best / complete / excelent" experience from an expensive flagship grade phone.
They want the best from the huge amount of money they paid.
Sony doesnt deliver the Best/complete experience, which is a huge Disappointment.
Smithravi, 18 Jul 2020Don't be ignorant. 18W has better battery life than 65W or 40W.So you only decide "battery-life" based on power and not the technology involved? LOL. Qualcomm's 18W charging will always give higher heat output ON THE PHONE due to the fact that it uses voltage converter inside the phone itself. Higher charging rates, for example with OnePlus, does that on the charger. It's their charger that mainly heats up, not the phone itself where the battery is. Kindly learn about the tech instead of deciding based on just the power alone.